Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

[logger]

I suspect when things get too bad too ignore they'll pretend they were worried about Trump all along.

Lol

It seems I've heard this before also.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Lol

It seems I've heard this before also.

It would be standard operating procedure for the GOP: most members are on record criticising Trump at some point so that they have a soundbite they can point to when the ship goes down.

 

[WilliamSeger]

He mentioned it? lol, you cannot be serious.

Did he also mention the lady was a fraud and that she had no meaningful information.

As verified by the unimpeachable testimony of Junior, who has absolutely told us absolutely everything, as verified by the unimpeachable testimony of Junior. She says she left a folder full of information.

Would have been great if she had. Trump jr could have turned it over to the FBI in time for Comey to say "sigh" "no credible prosecutor would want to pursue this"

Comey's opinion was based on his belief that a prosecutor couldn't prove criminal intent, which would have absolutely been necessary for a criminal conviction on charges of mishandling classified information. Junior was quite kind to publish his clear intent to collude with a foreign national and to confirm that he knew it was wrong by trying to hide it and then repeatedly lying about it. That makes things so much easier.

The leftist clown car rolls on.

The leftist clowns are absolutely on a roll, eg. Colbert, but so are serious leftists, whereas the wheels are coming off the Trumpmobile. So sorry you bought a lemon.

 

[logger]

As verified by the unimpeachable testimony of Junior, who has absolutely told us absolutely everything, as verified by the unimpeachable testimony of Junior. She says she left a folder full of information.

Lol
Well it's settled then!

Comey's opinion was based on his belief that a prosecutor couldn't prove criminal intent, which would have absolutely been necessary for a criminal conviction on charges of mishandling classified information. Junior was quite kind to publish his clear intent to collude with a foreign national and to confirm that he knew it was wrong by trying to hide it and then repeatedly lying about it. That makes things so much easier.

Lol
Ask Patreus about criminal intent.
Too bad jr didn't work for the campaign.

The leftist clowns are absolutely on a roll, eg. Colbert, but so are serious leftists, whereas the wheels are coming off the Trumpmobile. So sorry you bought a lemon.

Lol
That lemon just gave us back the court.

 

[Elagabalus]

Lol
Well it's settled then!


Lol
Ask Patreus about criminal intent.
Too bad jr didn't work for the campaign.


Lol
That lemon just gave us back the court.

I know U R, but what am I?

 

[snoop_doxie]

No there isnt any evidence yet, just wishful thinking.

Investigations are ongoing. No one has been charged yet either.

Did you see Kellyann's fun with words on the morning news?
She said "Collusion? Not yet."

I think there is wishful thinking on your "side" too.

Whistling in the dark, holding your breath going past the cemetery.

This administration seems to be unable to get out of their own way.

While people keep repeating that ridiculous word "nothingburger" we
find out there are two more people at the meeting than originally
admitted.

Lol
Ask Patreus about criminal intent.
Too bad jr didn't work for the campaign.

If Jr didn't work for the campaign, then why is he setting up meetings
with Kushner and Manafort?
Did you even read the emails the Jr posted himself on twitter?

What does Patreus have to do with it?

 

[Minoosh]

Though it might be fun to see Trump tarred, feathered, impeached and/or imprisoned, the alternative, Pence, will have a very similar agenda. He's not the Gaga MAGA Emperor, but that will be a plus to some conservatives. To anyone not supporting the basic conservative agenda, Pence is better only for not being a buffoon who is systematically demolishing the United States' standing in the world.

That's probably still good enough for me, but it's a win-win agenda for conservatives more focused on court appointments, military buildups and immigration issues than on personalities. Though on balance I might prefer Pence, nothing in his track record leads me to believe he will break with Trump in any substantive way.

I saw somewhere that although Trump may imagine he's an American Putin, Putin probably sees him as an American Yeltsin. Have to think about the implications of that.

 

[I Am The Scum]

It's interesting how the Trump defenders won't even comment on the quality of Jr.'s actions. They won't say it was good. They won't say it was bad. Instead, it's all about Hillary and Obama, even though it is shamefully obvious that they do not factor into this story.

Word of advice: If you feel the need to change the subject, you're better off changing your beliefs.

 

[acbytesla]

Though it might be fun to see Trump tarred, feathered, impeached and/or imprisoned, the alternative, Pence, will have a very similar agenda. He's not the Gaga MAGA Emperor, but that will be a plus to some conservatives. To anyone not supporting the basic conservative agenda, Pence is better only for not being a buffoon who is systematically demolishing the United States' standing in the world.

That's probably still good enough for me, but it's a win-win agenda for conservatives more focused on court appointments, military buildups and immigration issues than on personalities. Though on balance I might prefer Pence, nothing in his track record leads me to believe he will break with Trump in any substantive way.

I saw somewhere that although Trump may imagine he's an American Putin, Putin probably sees him as an American Yeltsin. Have to think about the implications of that.

I don't want to see a President Pence. From a domestic viewpoint he is as bad maybe even worse than Trump. But I'm sick of all the lies. Not that Pence won't lie. It just won't be every other sentence. I don't see Pence trying to undermine the democracy as Trump has been. I doubt we'll hear Pence declare that everyone else is lying when it's clear that they are not. I doubt we'll hear 'fake news' comes out of his mouth. Trump is systematically destroying our foreign service core, our intelligence services and the justice department. I think Pence will reverse those trends. I won't have to hear talking heads trying to tell me that up is down and black is white anymore. The one hope I had about Trump was that he really would do something significant with our obvious infrastructure needs. That turned out to be total vapor.

Pence isn't the brightest bulb and he is a religious nutjob which Trump is not. But Trump is a lying incompetent piece of crap. He's an embarrassment on every level. But most of all I want Trump gone before we are all gone. This guy is crazier than Brad Pitt's character in Twelve monkeys. Nobody this batcrap crazy should have access to the nuclear codes.

 

[Belz...]

Dude, look at the thread title. All things Trump + Russia. What the other side says is relevant (as a general rule, if you aren't a fanatic), for example that they now openly mock that Russiagate nonsense in advertisements at the international section of the Moscow airport is newsworthy. And the way that information was delivered to us over twitter is nothing short of hilarious.

I understand very well that you would prefer to keep the "discussion" confined to your little echo chamber where only the "Western" pre$$titute media sets the propaganda agenda - which is what all the "fake news" crap is about, remember, started by Washington Pest -, but I'm afraid it won't happen.

That's all very nice, but that doesn't change my criticism: you pretty much always get your stuff from Russian sources.

 

[Belz...]

How exactly was it a crime? Should be easy for you to lay it out.

Because it's a crime to solicit favours from foreign government when it comes to the elections. This has been explained many times. Going into that meeting and expecting to get information, even if you don't get anything in the end, falls under that statute.

It's much more involved than your conclusions are jumping to. Wishful thinking is all you have.

Nay-saying is all you have, and it's not very convincing.

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[banquetbear]

Simply amazing that this was on Fox News. Time to dump dumb Trump, the prince of liars.

...just to be clear here: Shepard Smith has been calling it like this since the start of the Trump regime, and has always been a pretty rational stand-up guy. There are a number of editorial commentaries from Smith that echoed what he says here. Chris Wallace has been calling it pretty straight as well. I don't particularly like Chris Wallace: but his interviews with the Trump regime have been pretty damn good, and he catches them off-guard because they come on his show expecting an easy time and he doesn't give it to them.

 

[Meadmaker]

Though it might be fun to see Trump tarred, feathered, impeached and/or imprisoned, the alternative, Pence, will have a very similar agenda. He's not the Gaga MAGA Emperor, but that will be a plus to some conservatives. To anyone not supporting the basic conservative agenda, Pence is better only for not being a buffoon who is systematically demolishing the United States' standing in the world.

That's probably still good enough for me, but it's a win-win agenda for conservatives more focused on court appointments, military buildups and immigration issues than on personalities. Though on balance I might prefer Pence, nothing in his track record leads me to believe he will break with Trump in any substantive way.

I saw somewhere that although Trump may imagine he's an American Putin, Putin probably sees him as an American Yeltsin. Have to think about the implications of that.

Although it is difficult to predict the American electorate, a severely damaged Trump, or a Trump thrown out of office and replaced by Pence, will probably have an impact on mid-term elections. President Pence would almost certainly have a weaker Congressional position, so giving Trump the boot would probably hurt the conservative agenda.

 

[Cain]

It's interesting how the Trump defenders won't even comment on the quality of Jr.'s actions. They won't say it was good. They won't say it was bad. Instead, it's all about Hillary and Obama, even though it is shamefully obvious that they do not factor into this story.

Word of advice: If you feel the need to change the subject, you're better off changing your beliefs.

If Obama and his "Justice" Dept. had done their jobs, they could have prevented Trump's campaign from collaborating with foreign agents. Trump is on record as saying he supports surveillance efforts, even if they incidentally spill into his campaign workings.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

If Obama and his "Justice" Dept. had done their jobs, they could have prevented Trump's campaign from collaborating with foreign agents. Trump is on record as saying he supports surveillance efforts, even if they incidentally spill into his campaign workings.

What should he have done?
Stop the election via Executive Order?

He told the party leaderahips, and the RNC made it clear that they want the election, fully aware of the Trump-Russia connection.

 

[WilliamSeger]

If you don't believe that TrumpCo has lost control of the narrative even in the Fox bubble, watch Chris Wallace vs. Trump's attorney, Sekulow:

 

[Belz...]

What should he have done?
Stop the election via Executive Order?

No, no. You're not getting the logic: he shouldn't done something, and damn him because he didn't, but if he had done something, then it would have been the wrong thing, and damn him because he did.

 

[Childlike Empress]

As Anti-Trump / Anti-Russia Campaign Fails - Yascha Mounk Feeds New Lies

 

[skyeagle409]

Contact them about what?

Reporting their contacts with the Russians to the FBI, which they should have done, but didn't. Instead, they lied. They went to the meeting, which was illegal because they sought to collude with the Russians. It's plain and simple and you cannot change reality from the comfort of your keyboard.

Perhaps more investigations will reveal what they already have?

Lol
You were a government official, he isn't!

That doesn't make any difference, they were suppose to contact the FBI.

Legal experts say Donald Trump Jr has just confessed to a federal crime

Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer in June 2016 with the express purpose of getting information the Russian government had supposedly acquired on Hillary Clinton, according to a New York Times report published on Monday night.

Trump Jr. then confirmed the story on Tuesday on Twitter by releasing the actual emails between him and British publicist Rob Goldstone setting up the meeting — emails that proved without a shadow of a doubt that the Trump Jr. was told beforehand that the information he would be getting came from the Russian government.
“This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” Goldstone wrote to Trump Jr. “ “If it’s what you say I love it,” he replied.

Trump Jr. had already admitted in a statement that he took the meeting with the Russian attorney, a woman named Natalia Veselnitskaya, to get useful information on Hillary Clinton. His defense of his actions was that the meeting didn’t bear fruit: that “it quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.” In other words, there’s no way this constituted meaningful collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia because Veselnitskaya didn’t provide him with anything useful.

But experts on national security and election law say this “defense” is, legally speaking, no defense at all.
Why Trump Jr. may have broken the law

The statute in question is 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510 — the law governing foreign contributions to US campaigns. There are two key passages that apply here. This is the first:

A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/10/15950590/donald-trump-jr-new-york-times-illegal

You have no case in defense of Trump Jr. because his own emails point to a crime.

 

[jimbob]

If you don't believe that TrumpCo has lost control of the narrative even in the Fox bubble, watch Chris Wallace vs. Trump's attorney, Sekulow:

Sekulow looks as though he realises he's not playing with the strongest hand there.

However, what sort of viewing figures does Wallace get compared to some of the pro-Trump hosts?

Not that this invalidates your point, and Fox is probably going to be more influential with the GOP than say MSNBC.