The Growth of the UFO Myth

[skyeagle409]

skyeagle409: I would appreciate it if you could stop the near-Gish Gallop of reported sightings, and allow us to focus on just one at a time.

That sounds good. How about we examine details of Japan 1628?

UFO SIGHTING CONFIRMED BY FAA, AIR FORCE RADAR

ANCHORAGE, JAN. 1 -- A veteran pilot whose UFO sighting was confirmed on radar screens Tuesday said the mysterious object was so enormous that it dwarfed his Japan Airlines cargo plane.

The FAA confirmed on Tuesday that government radar picked up the object that Terauchi said followed his Boeing 747 cargo jet.

Terauchi, a pilot for 29 years, said he briefly glimpsed the large unknown object in silhouette. "It was a very big one -- two times bigger than an aircraft carrier," he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...59e-b94d-eeeff7b3322e/?utm_term=.80e07196cf99

The gigantic UFO following the B-747 was confirmed by ground-based radar.

JAL 1628 Communications

(JAL1628) Japan Airlines Flight 1628

(AARTCC} Anchorage Air Route Traffic Control Center

(ROCC) Elmendorf Regional Operational Control Center

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5:24:50 AARTCC - JAL1628, do you still have, uh, visual contact with the, ah, traffic?

5:24:53 JAL1628 - Affirmative. Also, we [have] radar contact, ah... (unintelligible; broken transmission).

5:25:02 AARTCC - I'm picking up a hit on the radar approximately five miles in trail of your six o'clock position (i.e., behind the plane). Do you concur?

5:26:03 AARTCC - I'm picking up a primary approximately 50 miles southeast. But it's right in front of the (JAL1628)

5:26:13 ROCC - OK. I've got him about....

5:26:15 AARTCC - Eight miles in front of the (JAL1628) he's got traffic at the same altitude (35,000 ft.).

5:26:18 ROCC - OK. I've got him about his, ah, oh, it looks like about, ah, 10 o'clock at about that range, yes.

5:39:32 JAL1628 - Ah, say again?

5:39:35 AARTCC - JAL1628 heavy, roger sir. The military radar advises they do have a primary target in trail of you at this time.
5:39:35 AARTCC - JAl1628 heavy. Military radar advises they are picking up intermittent primary target behind you in trail, in trail I say again.
http://russhaywood.com/wp-haywood/w...10/JAL-1628-The-End-of-Human-Space-sample.pdf


The Anchorage Incident - FAA Division Chief John Callahan Video Testimony

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akuopXFjWws

Weeks later in the Alaskan region, a huge UFO as described in the JAL 1628 incident was reported by an Air Force KC-135 in the general area. The next day, Alaska Airlines Flt 53 encountered and reported a UFO.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

That sounds good. How about we examine details of Japan 1628?




The gigantic UFO following the B-747 was confirmed by ground-based radar.




Weeks later in the Alaskan region, a huge UFO as described in the JAL 1628 incident was reported by an Air Force KC-135 in the general area. The next day, Alaska Airlines Flt 53 encountered and reported a UFO.

Looks to have been fairly soundly debunked.

http://badufos.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/jal-1628-capt-terauchis-marvellous.html

At the time the UFO incident began near Ft. Yukon, the JAL airliner was flying south in twilight conditions so that an extremely bright Jupiter (-2.6 magnitude) would have been visible on the pilot's left-hand side, where he first reported seeing the UFO, according to Klass. Jupiter was only 10 degrees above the horizon, making it appear to the pilot to be at roughly his own 35,000 ft. altitude. Mars, slightly lower on the horizon, was about 20 degrees to the right of Jupiter but not as bright....Although the very bright Jupiter, and less bright Mars, had to be visible to JAL Capt. Kenjyu Terauchi, the pilot never once reported seeing either -- only a UFO
Many of the colorful details of the incident carried by the news media, largely based on the six-week-old recollections of the pilot of JAL Flight 1628, are contradicted by a transcript of radio messages from the pilot to FAA controllers while the incident was in progress. For example, news media accounts quoting the 747 pilot said that when he executed a 360 degree turn, the UFO had followed him around the turn. But this claim is contrary to what the pilot told FAA controllers at the time.

 

[arthwollipot]

The gigantic UFO following the B-747 was confirmed by ground-based radar.

I notice that by calling it an unidentified flying object, you have thereby assumed that you have identified it.

 

[skyeagle409]

Looks to have been fairly soundly debunked.
At the time the UFO incident began near Ft. Yukon, the JAL airliner was flying south in twilight conditions so that an extremely bright Jupiter (-2.6 magnitude) would have been visible on the pilot's left-hand side, where he first reported seeing the UFO, according to Klass. Jupiter was only 10 degrees above the horizon, making it appear to the pilot to be at roughly his own 35,000 ft. altitude. Mars, slightly lower on the horizon, was about 20 degrees to the right of Jupiter but not as bright....Although the very bright Jupiter, and less bright Mars, had to be visible to JAL Capt. Kenjyu Terauchi, the pilot never once reported seeing either -- only a UFO
Many of the colorful details of the incident carried by the news media, largely based on the six-week-old recollections of the pilot of JAL Flight 1628, are contradicted by a transcript of radio messages from the pilot to FAA controllers while the incident was in progress. For example, news media accounts quoting the 747 pilot said that when he executed a 360 degree turn, the UFO had followed him around the turn. But this claim is contrary to what the pilot told FAA controllers at the time.
http://badufos.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/jal-1628-capt-terauchis-marvellous.html

Phil Klass has been known to present false information in regards to UFOs and in the case of JAL 1628, Phil Klass and CSICOP were made a laughing stock when the real facts were revealed.

I often warn steptics to do their homework before they present their responses to me because I have been known to set the record straight due to the tons of declassified UFO documents that I have on hand, much of which were provided by the USAF. Now, let's take a look at what happened to Phil Klass and CSICOP in regard to JAL 1628.

CSICOP Leaps Into The Breach

The initial press stories in January treated this sighting as real news. No one contradicted the captain when he made his "outlandish" claims, the most outlandish being that he was followed by a UFO larger than his 747 jumbo jet. The press was yearning for an explanation, but there was none to be had as long as the FAA was still investigating. It was at this point that CSICOP decided it was necessary to fill the vacuum. On the 22nd of January CSICOP published a press release entitled "UFO Mystery Solved" [14]. The cover letter of the press release announced the "findings of the (CSICOP) investigation into the Japan Air Lines Flight 1628 UFO incident of November 18, 1986." The release itself stated that "according to a leading UFO investigator" (Philip J. Klass) "at least one extraterrestrial object was involved - the planet Jupiter, and possibly another - Mars." The press release asserted that at the time of the sighting (incorrectly given as one hour earlier than it actually occurred) Jupiter was "extremely bright" at a -2.6 magnitude and would have been about 10 degrees above the horizon on the left side of the aircraft where the pilot first reported seeing the UFO. Mars would have been slightly lower and about 20 degrees to the right of Jupiter. The press release stated that "Although the very bright Jupiter and less bright Mars had to be visible to JAL Capt. Kenjyu Terauchi, the pilot never once reported seeing either - only a UFO that he described as being a "white and yellow" light in his initial radio report to the Federal Aviation Administration controllers at Anchorage" [14]. The press release could have mentioned, but did not, that Terauchi did report seeing numerous stars in the sky, city lights and a glow of sunset in the west.

The CSICOP explanation was based mostly on Phil Klass' analysis of an early version of the transcript of the audio tape. The radar tracking data were not made available at that time and so he could not have known the precise locations and flight directions of the plane at the times of the various sightings. Apparently he completely ignored the pictorial information (drawings by the captain) which had been widely publicized. Mr. Klass made a major error in not waiting for the release of the complete information package by the FAA because, if he had waited, he would have found that the publicized versions of the sighting were actually quite accurate in their descriptions of the lights. These descriptions, of course, rule out Jupiter and Mars as possible causes of the sighting. Without the FAA data package he did not know that initial drawings were made only about 2 hours after the event. Nor did he know that the other crew members, in separate interviews, supported the captain's report of the groups of lights that appeared in front of the plane. Nor did he know about the sudden rearrangement of the relative positions of the groups of lights from one above the other to one beside the other, a maneuver that Jupiter and Mars would have difficulty carrying out during the time of the sighting. Nor did he know that at the end of the sighting, while the plane was flying southward, roughly toward Jupiter and Mars, the pilot reported the "gigantic spacecraft" was behind and to the left, in a direction nearly opposite to the planets.
The CSICOP press release discussed and rejected the FAA and Air Force radar detections. Curiously, however, it completely ignored the claim by the pilot that the airplane radar did detect a radar-reflective object at 7 to 8 miles in the direction of the UFO. Perhaps Mr. Klass rejected this claim, but if he had waited for the data package from the FAA he would have learned that the other two members of the crew confirmed the pilot's statement about the radar detection.
In summary, the Jupiter-Mars explanation is contradicted by the sighting directions to the UFO at various times, by the descriptions of the crew members and by the airplane radar detection. However, the "gullible" press did not know that at the time. The explanation was widely publicized. The explanation made the captain look like an idiot, but that's OK. Only idiots report UFOs. Having done their duty the newsmedia promptly forget about the sighting.

In retrospect it appears that the CSICOP press release which was marked "FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE" should have been marked "FOR PREMATURE RELEASE."

Now, you know the rest of the story about Phil Klass, CSICOP and their debunked explanations regarding JAL 1628.



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[skyeagle409]

I notice that by calling it an unidentified flying object, you have thereby assumed that you have identified it.

I didn't know the model number but I would like to add that just weeks later, an Air Force KC-135 encountered an identical UFO as the one reported by JAL 1628, and the very next day after the Air Force encounter, Alaska Airlines Flt 53 encountered a UFO.

Not many people are aware that there were so many UFO reports in the Alaskan region that a special team was dispatched from Wright-Patterson AFB to film UFOs in flight and they were successful. In one encounter, one of the UFOs flew next to the filming aircraft whereas, photos were locked up in a special container and cuffed to a courier who then returned the photos to Wright-Patterson AFB.

The public is largely unaware of what goes on behind the closed doors of the US military in regard to UFO, but then again, how many people knew the military confirmed the existence of its "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit" (IPU) and "Project Moon Dust" and "Operation Blue Fly?"

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[Darat]

I didn't know the model number but I would like to add that just weeks later, an Air Force KC-135 encountered an identical UFO as the one reported by JAL 1628, and the very next day after the Air Force encounter, Alaska Airlines Flt 53 encountered a UFO.

Not many people are aware that there were so many UFO reports in the Alaskan region that a special team was dispatched from Wright-Patterson AFB to film UFOs in flight and they were successful. In one encounter, one of the UFOs flew next to the filming aircraft whereas, photos were locked up in a special container and cuffed to a courier who then returned the photos to Wright-Patterson AFB.

The public is largely unaware of what goes on behind the closed doors of the US military in regard to UFO, but then again, how many people knew the military confirmed the existence of its "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit" (IPU) and "Project Moon Dust" and "Operation Blue Fly?"

.

How can it be known it encountered an identical UFO?

 

[arthwollipot]

I didn't know the model number but I would like to add that just weeks later, an Air Force KC-135 encountered an identical UFO as the one reported by JAL 1628, and the very next day after the Air Force encounter, Alaska Airlines Flt 53 encountered a UFO.

Not many people are aware that there were so many UFO reports in the Alaskan region that a special team was dispatched from Wright-Patterson AFB to film UFOs in flight and they were successful. In one encounter, one of the UFOs flew next to the filming aircraft whereas, photos were locked up in a special container and cuffed to a courier who then returned the photos to Wright-Patterson AFB.

The public is largely unaware of what goes on behind the closed doors of the US military in regard to UFO, but then again, how many people knew the military confirmed the existence of its "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit" (IPU) and "Project Moon Dust" and "Operation Blue Fly?"

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So how do you get from Unidentified Flying Object to "I know it's an alien spaceship!"

 

[Cosmic Yak]

That sounds good. How about we examine details of Japan 1628?




The gigantic UFO following the B-747 was confirmed by ground-based radar.

The FAA made a statement withdrawing that claim.

After a three-month investigation, the FAA formally released their results at a press conference held on March 5, 1987. Here Paul Steucke retracted earlier FAA suggestions that their controllers confirmed a UFO,[13] and ascribed it to a "split radar image" which appeared with unfortunate timing. He clarified that "the FAA [did] not have enough material to confirm that something was there", and though they were "accepting the descriptions by the crew" they were "unable to support what they saw"

Weeks later in the Alaskan region, a huge UFO as described in the JAL 1628 incident was reported by an Air Force KC-135 in the general area. The next day, Alaska Airlines Flt 53 encountered and reported a UFO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident

On 29 January 1987[12][note 5] at 18:40,[18] Alaska Airlines Flight 53 observed a fast moving object on their onboard weather radar. While at 35,000 ft (11,000 m), some 60 miles (97 km) west of McGrath, on a flight from Nome to Anchorage, the radar registered a strong target in their 12 o'clock position, at 25 miles (40 km) range.

While they could not distinguish any object or light visually, they noticed that the radar object was increasing its distance at a very high rate. With every sweep of their radar, about 1 second apart, the object added five miles to its distance, translating to a speed of 18,000 mph (29,000 km/h).[18][19] The pilot however relayed a speed of 'a mile a second' to the control tower, or a speed of 3,600 mph (5,800 km/h),[20] but confirmed that the target exceeded both the 50 mi (80 km) and 100 mi (160 km) ranges of their radar scope in a matter of seconds.[18][19] The object was outside the radar range of the Anchorage ARTCC,[18] and additional radar data covering the specified time and location failed to substantiate the pilots' claim.

Very sketchy, methinks.
Visible on radar, but not visually, and different reports of speed. Not convinced at all, I'm afraid.

 

[skyeagle409]

How can it be known it encountered an identical UFO?

The KC-135 crew described the object they encountered was similar to the huge object the crew of JAL 1628 encountered.

 

[skyeagle409]

So how do you get from Unidentified Flying Object to "I know it's an alien spaceship!"

Knowing that mankind didn't have a flying saucer the size of two aircraft carriers that could keep up with a B-747 at cruise altitude.

 

[skyeagle409]

The FAA made a statement withdrawing that claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident
Very sketchy, methinks.
Visible on radar, but not visually, and different reports of speed. Not convinced at all, I'm afraid.

The fact that the huge object was captured on the weather radar was very significant considering the skies were clear at cruise altitude. One commercial pilots said that the sky was so clear, "you could see into next Tuesday."

And, let's remember the huge object maneuvering around JAL 1628 was tracked on military and civilian radars in addition to the aircraft's own weather radar.

After a three-month investigation, the FAA formally released their results at a press conference held on March 5, 1987. Here Paul Steucke retracted earlier FAA suggestions that their controllers confirmed a UFO,[13] and ascribed it to a "split radar image" which appeared with unfortunate timing. He clarified that "the FAA [did] not have enough material to confirm that something was there", and though they were "accepting the descriptions by the crew" they were "unable to support what they saw"

That report was determined to be false because the UFO data was confirmed after extensive analysis in New Jersey. The FAA, software and hardware technicians confirmed the data that depicted the UFOs maneuvering around JAL 1628. Now, let's take a look here.

The Alaskan FAA Investigator's Summary

The FAA had kept a great deal of data on the incident including all the positional radar data, an actual video recording of the radar screen, and all the audio records from both calls to the military base, including the conversations with Captain Kenju Terauchi, the pilot of flight 1628 (recorded as the event transpired). The FAA investigator assigned to the case, John Callahan, investigated the incident in depth and put on a ‘dog and pony show’ for a small group representatives from several branches of the US Government, and handed over all copies of the data collect to the appropriate officials. What slipped passed those official’s knowledge, was that Mr. Callahan had all the original documents in a box under his desk, and there they sat for several years, available to anyone interested in the case. It should be understood, that John Callahan remains truthful and willing to cooperate in any way with any inquiries on the subject of JAL flight 1628.

"As the Division Manager for the FAA Washington headquarters Accidents, Evaluation and Investigations, I was responsible for the quality of air traffic service provided to the FAA users." Mr. Callahan states. "When informed of the ‘UFO incident involving a Japanese B747 in the Alaskan region’

I ordered the RADAR recorded data and voice tapes flown to the FAA Technical Center in Atlantic City, New Jersey for evaluation and analysis by both FAA Hardware and Software experts.
After reviewing the play back of the event on a controller’s scope, referred to as a ‘PVD’ and receiving a detailed analysis of the incident, I briefed the FAA Administrator and members of President Reagan’s scientific staff, CIA, etc. on the following information:

During the play back of the event I observed a primary radar target in the position reported by the Japanese pilot. The intermittent primary target stayed in close proximately to the B747 for approximately 31 minutes. Both the FAA controller and military NORAD controller reported observing the RADAR return of the ‘UFO’ target on their ‘scopes.’
There was no noticeable ‘weather’ in the area. ‘You can see into next Tuesday’ was reported by a United pilot.

The UFO was painted as an extremely large primary target. As a result of the lacking run length identification the FAA computer system treated the UFO RADAR return as ‘weather’ and transmitted it to the controller’s PVD via a non recorded line.

(All known aircraft are programed in the FAA computer systems ‘Run Length’ table.)

At the conclusion of the hand-off briefing the CIA advised they were ‘confiscating all the data, this event never happened, we were never here and you are all sworn to secrecy.’

 

[arthwollipot]

Knowing that mankind didn't have a flying saucer the size of two aircraft carriers that could keep up with a B-747 at cruise altitude.

So therefore you know that it's an alien spaceship? Are there truly no other possible explanations?

I put it to you that there are many possible explanations that you have not considered. Including that it was a ghost.

 

[skyeagle409]

So therefore you know that it's an alien spaceship? Are there truly no other possible explanations?

Absolutely!! What many people didn't know is that the objects were well-known in the area, which is why a detachment from Wright-Patterson AFB was sent to the area, and once again, they were successful at filming the objects, one of which flew extremely close to one of the aircraft that was doing the filming.

I put it to you that there are many possible explanations that you have not considered. Including that it was a ghost.

Ghost do not reflect nor return solid radar images.

 

[arthwollipot]

Absolutely!! What many people didn't know is that the objects were well-known in the area, which is why a detachment from Wright-Patterson AFB was sent to the area, and once again, they were successful at filming the objects, one of which flew extremely close to one of the aircraft that was doing the filming.

I put it to you again that there are many possible explanations that you have not considered - that it has not even occurred to you to consider. The fact that it's not one thing does not mean that it is a particular other thing.

Ghost do not reflect nor return solid radar images.

How do you know that? They affect EMF meters don't they? Radar is simply a directed EM pulse.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

The FAA made a statement withdrawing that claim.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident


Very sketchy, methinks.
Visible on radar, but not visually, and different reports of speed. Not convinced at all, I'm afraid.

The fact that the huge object was captured on the weather radar was very significant considering the skies were clear at cruise altitude. One commercial pilots said that the sky was so clear, "you could see into next Tuesday."

And, let's remember the huge object maneuvering around JAL 1628 was tracked on military and civilian radars in addition to the aircraft's own weather radar.




That report was determined to be false because the UFO data was confirmed after extensive analysis in New Jersey. The FAA, software and hardware technicians confirmed the data that depicted the UFOs maneuvering around JAL 1628. Now, let's take a look here.

From my link:

The case merits a chapter (#22) in Leslie Kean's book, UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record. Written by John J. Callahan, he claims that Terauchi's crew "both saw it, too." Of course this is false - they saw only lights, not the giant spaceship that Terauchi reported. Callahan also claims that "it flew alongside his jet" after he turned, but (as Klass notes), this contradicts what Terauchi told FAA controllers at the time. Callahan ices the cake with his claim that the CIA has over 30 minutes of radar data confirming Terauchi's UFO, but they refuse to release it, to prevent public panic.

How credible is Callahan’s account? In 2011, UFO Blogger Ryan Daube wrote,
At this point, Callahan’s credentials and story has never actually been independently confirmed. In fact, back in 2007, as we were attempting to verify his claims, we contacted CIA Science Analyst Ron Pandolfi. Ron admitted that both he and Maccabee had in fact attended an FAA meeting like the one Callahan described. However, he did not recall anyone making any statement that the meeting never happened, or that the data should be covered up…. We contacted Maccabee and he also confirmed that he was at such a meeting and received all of the data for his analysis and report, but he also did not recall anyone at the meeting trying to cover it up.

We reported this contradiction to Leslie Kean of the Coalition for Freedom of Information – the only listed contact for Callahan – and she initially did not believe us. Therefore, I put her in direct contact with Pandolfi and Maccabee, who both told her exactly what they told us. Kean refused to let us speak directly with Callahan to resolve the discrepancy, and eventually refused to cooperate regarding getting any clarification from Callahan.

In fact, Kean completely ignored the contradictory witness statements that she received first-hand, and instead went on to publish a book in 2010 titled UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record, where she repeated Callahan’s testimony in full on page 222, and even focused on the “this never happened” statement.

She completely left out the fact that she had received direct testimony from both a CIA analyst and Bruce Maccabee, stating that they were at such a meeting that matched the meeting John described, and that no one said anything about covering-up.
So much for the credibility of John Callahan.

 

[skyeagle409]

I put it to you again that there are many possible explanations that you have not considered - that it has not even occurred to you to consider. The fact that it's not one thing does not mean that it is a particular other thing.

How do you know that? They affect EMF meters don't they? Radar is simply a directed EM pulse.

UFOs are not only tracked on airborne and ground-based radar, but have been tracked using ELINT systems and optical sensors as well. In fact, the Iranian UFO incident was tracked by a DSP satellite. Radar can differentiate between artificial objects and natural phenomena. In fact, radar can differentiate between species of bats and birds and radar "ghost angels."

In case you missed this incident, here is a case where a B-52 encountered a UFO.

A Narrative f UFO Events at Minot Air Force Base

http://minotb52ufo.com/

INTRODUCTION

http://minotb52ufo.com/introduction.php

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B-52 Aircraft Commander, pilot Capt. Don Cagle, Co-pilot Capt. Bradford Runyon, Radar Navigator Maj. Chuck Richey, Navigator Capt. Patrick McCaslin, Electronic Warfare Officer Capt. Thomas Goduto, and Gunner Tech/Sgt. Arlie Judd. All crewmembers were rated as instructors in their respective positions, establishing them as one of the top crews at Minot AFB in 1968.


Minot Air Force Base UFO Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSqEDXZf4To

 

[skyeagle409]

From my link:
The case merits a chapter (#22) in Leslie Kean's book, UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record. Written by John J. Callahan, he claims that Terauchi's crew "both saw it, too." Of course this is false - they saw only lights, not the giant spaceship that Terauchi reported. Callahan also claims that "it flew alongside his jet" after he turned, but (as Klass notes), this contradicts what Terauchi told FAA controllers at the time. Callahan ices the cake with his claim that the CIA has over 30 minutes of radar data confirming Terauchi's UFO, but they refuse to release it, to prevent public panic.

How credible is Callahan’s account? In 2011, UFO Blogger Ryan Daube wrote,
At this point, Callahan’s credentials and story has never actually been independently confirmed. In fact, back in 2007, as we were attempting to verify his claims, we contacted CIA Science Analyst Ron Pandolfi. Ron admitted that both he and Maccabee had in fact attended an FAA meeting like the one Callahan described. However, he did not recall anyone making any statement that the meeting never happened, or that the data should be covered up…. We contacted Maccabee and he also confirmed that he was at such a meeting and received all of the data for his analysis and report, but he also did not recall anyone at the meeting trying to cover it up.

We reported this contradiction to Leslie Kean of the Coalition for Freedom of Information – the only listed contact for Callahan – and she initially did not believe us. Therefore, I put her in direct contact with Pandolfi and Maccabee, who both told her exactly what they told us. Kean refused to let us speak directly with Callahan to resolve the discrepancy, and eventually refused to cooperate regarding getting any clarification from Callahan.

In fact, Kean completely ignored the contradictory witness statements that she received first-hand, and instead went on to publish a book in 2010 titled UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record, where she repeated Callahan’s testimony in full on page 222, and even focused on the “this never happened” statement.

She completely left out the fact that she had received direct testimony from both a CIA analyst and Bruce Maccabee, stating that they were at such a meeting that matched the meeting John described, and that no one said anything about covering-up.

So much for the credibility of John Callahan.

Let's take a look at what Maccabee has said in regards to Callahan.

IN May, 2001, John Callahan, who was at the time the manager of the FAA Division of Accidents, Evaluations and Investigations, for the first time publicized his version of the JAL1628 story. His testimony is presented at the CSETI web site. According to Callahan, when he learned of the sighting he directed that the radar tapes be sent to the FAA analysis center
in Atlanta.

Then he flew to Atlanta and, using his new home video camera, recorded the radar tape as it was played back through the special equipment at the Atlanta center. The radar tape was synchronized with the audio tape of conversations between the air traffic controller and the airplane.
In an interview in 2001 Mr. Callahan told me that the unknown radar target
disappeared when the plane was flying south from Fairbanks (after making the complete turn at Fairbanks) while the United airplane was flying northward toward JAL1628. The United plane did not see anything. But after the United airplane passed the JAL and continued north....the unknown radar target appeared again, this time BEHIND THE UNITED AIRPLANE.
FAA headquarters they briefed Vice Admiral Donald D. Engen, who watched the whole video of over half an hour, and asked them not to talk to anybody until they were given the OK, and to prepare an encompassing presentation of the data for a group of government officials the next day.

Source: Need to Know: UFOs, the Military, and Intelligence.

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JAL 1628 CREW REPORTS

COPILOT Tamefuji

COPILOT Tamefuji recalled that the radar echo was "just like other traffic, but, ah, I thought a little bit large." He said the radar target image was green and at a distance of 7 to 8 miles (nautical). He said he had "many experiences before in checking oncoming aircrafts on a radar" and in his opinion the radar echo was similar to a conventional aircraft echo.

Captain TERAUCHI wrote

" I thought it would be impossible to find anything on an aircraft radar if a large ground radar did not show anything, but I judged the distance of the object visually and it was not very far. I set the digital weather radar distance to 20 (nautical) miles, radar angle to horizon (i.e., no depression angle). There it was on the screen. A large green and round object (here he refers to the image or "blip" on the radar screen) had appeared at 7 or 8 miles (13 km to 15 km) away, where the direction of the object was. We reported to Anchorage center that our radar caught the object within 7 or 8 miles in the 10 o'clock position. We asked them if they could catch it on ground radar but it did not seem they could catch it at all."

Flight engineer Tsukuba, who sat behind the copilot, did not have as good a view of the lights. He first saw them "through the L1 window at the 11 o'clock position" and he saw "clusters of lights undulating". These clusters were "made of two parts...shaped like windows of an airplane". He emphasized that "the lights in front of us were different from town lights." He described the colors as white or amber.

Tamefuji decided to call Anchorage Air Traffic Control, and for the next thirty minutes the 747 and AARTCC were in constant contact regarding the UFO.


PERSONNEL STATEMENT

FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION

Anchorage Air Route' Traffic Control Center

January 7, 1987

The following Is a report concerning the Incident involving aircraft JL 1628

north of Fairbanks on November 18, 1986 at 0218 UTC.

My name is Samuel J. Rich (SR). I am employed as an Air Traffic Control

Specialist by the Federal Aviation Administration at the Anchorage Air Route

Traffic Control Center, Anchorage, Alaska.

During the period of 0035 UTC, November 18, 1986, to 0835 UTC, November 18, 1986, I vas on duty in the Anchorage ARTCC. I was working the D15 position from 0230 UTC, November 18, 1986, to 0530 UTC, November 18, 1986.

The pilot of JL 1628 reported that he had traffic at his altitude. He stated

it was a big plane with yellow and white lights. We advised him we had no

traffic in his position. We adjusted the radar PVD to approximately a 25 mile scale and there was a radar return in the position the pilot had reported traffic.
I called ROCC to ask if they had any military traffic operating near JL 1628.

The ROCC said they had no military traffic in the area. I then asked them if

they could see any traffic near JL 1628. ROCC advised that they had traffic near JL 1628 In the same position we did.
I asked ROCC if they had any aircraft to scramble on JL 1628, they said they

would call back. However, there was no further communication regarding the request for a scramble.

Samuel J. Rich

Air Traffic Control Specialist

Anchorage ARTCC

I might add that the CIA did speak with Callahan for a very good reason; his position and the fact he would have had the radar and communications data, not Leslie Kean nor Bruce Maccabee. As far as the CIA and UFOs are concerned, let's take a look here.

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CIA and UFOs

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFO's</B> come from and what their purpose is..."

Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter Director, Central Intelligence Agency 1947-1950


It is time for the truth to be brought out... Behind the scenes high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.... I urge immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers from secrecy about unidentified flying objects.

Former CIA Director Vice Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, signed statement to Congress, August 22, 1960.


CIA PAPERS DETAIL UFO SURVEILLANCE

Ground Saucer Watch (GSW), an Arizona-based nation-wide UFO research organization of about 500 scientists, engineers and others, said on Friday it has obtained 1,000 pages of CIA documents under a freedom of information suit which show that the agency has been secretly involved in UFO surveillance since 1949 - even though the CIA has repeatedly said its investigation ended in 1952. William Spauldintg, an aerospace engineer with AiResearch and head of GSW, said "the Government has been lying to us all these years. After reviewing the docments, GSW believes that UFOs do exist, they are real, the U.S. Government has been totally untruthful, and the cover-up is massive."

Mr. Spaulding said the documents show that U.S. embassies are used to gather information on UFO sightings which "seems to be directed to the CIA, the White House and the National Security Agency." A CIA memo dated August 1, 1952, recommended continued agency surveillance of "flying saucers", saying, "It is strongly urged, however, that no indication of CIA interest or concern reach the press or public, in view of their probably alarmist tendencies to accept such interest as confirmatory of the soundness of 'unpublished facts' in the hands of the U.S. Government."

Among the documents are several detailed reports of USAF attempts to either intercept or destroy UFOs. In a 1976 incident in Iran, two F-4 Phantom jet fighter-bombers pursued a large UFO that was sending out smaller craft. One of the smaller craft "headed straight for the F-4 at a very fast rate of speed. The pilot attempted to fire an AI missile at the object but at that instant his weapons control panel went off and he lost all communications." the pilot eluded the craft, then watched as it "returned to the primary object for a perfect rejoin."

 

[John Jones]

Knowing that mankind didn't have a flying saucer the size of two aircraft carriers that could keep up with a B-747 at cruise altitude.

This is basically the same Appeal to ignorance fallacy that most UFOlogist fall back on: We don't know what it is or where it came from, therefore Extraterrestrial Hypothesis

 

[Cosmic Yak]

CIA and UFOs

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFO's</B> come from and what their purpose is..."

Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter Director, Central Intelligence Agency 1947-1950


It is time for the truth to be brought out... Behind the scenes high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.... I urge immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers from secrecy about unidentified flying objects.

Former CIA Director Vice Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, signed statement to Congress, August 22, 1960.

According to the New York Times. I can find no other source for this quote.

 

[theprestige]

Given what we know about the CIA, why would we consider them competent to identify UFOs?

This signature is intended to irradiate people.