General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

[LemmyCaution]

The favorite tactic of hasbara on this board is to flood the discussion with zero-content comments like yours. Unfortunately there is nothing I can do but point it out.

So you're not able to explain what you mean by saying that "in Europe, the Jews are gloating over the imminent death of European culture and the white race"?

 

[LemmyCaution]

. . . favorite tactic of hasbara on this board . . .

I am every bit as critical of the Nazis for their murder of incurably ill patients as I am of the Nazis for their mass murder of Jews. Does that make me an incurably ill patient?
I am every bit as critical of the Nazis for their murder of Roma as I am of the Nazis for their mass murder of Jews. Does that make me a "Gypsy"?

Why the personal attack? Nothing else you can come up with?

 

[Saggy]

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"National Socialism and the Holocaust remain central to their memory cultures and the “rationale upon which the EU itself found its legitimating narrative”.78 The process of critically coping with the Second World War has a long tradition in Western Europe, actively advocated and pursued since the late 1960s, most vigorously in (Western) Germany. Vergangenheitsbewältigung (“coming to terms with the past”) allowed the traumatic National Socialist past to become integrated into civic culture, and the Holocaust – acknowledged as the ultimate evil not only in German but in all of human history – to become the founding pillar of a post-war society gathered around common values and principles, including the rejection of militarism, anti-Semitism and racism. With collective guilt becoming integrated into the official version of German post-war national identity, any attempt to question the paradigm of the uniqueness of the Holocaust meant challenging not only that identity, but also the comforting self-conception of (Western) Europe that had eagerly accepted Germany’s assuming collective responsibility for the horrors of World War II, not least as a convenient means to distract attention away from wartime collaboration and the often far less glorious history of national resistance than official accounts tend to portray.79

The Jews favorite theme - the holohoax is the 'ultimate evil' and the whole of Europe bears the guilt - is promoted by the EU as the basis of European identity.

 

[Hans]

Saggy seems to have used in other threads the same tactic of simply refusing to address questions and debunking of his claims.

As I noted earlier he is following a self written script and doesn't have time or the evidence to deal with those more knowledgeable in the subject.

 

[Axxman300]

Here is the reality - we are living a nightmare of our own creation, the doomsday machine, which can destroy civilization, and possibly human life on earth, in a day. But, as you demonstrate, it has somehow been erased from our collective consciousness.

Plus, in Europe, the Jews are gloating over the imminent death of European culture and the white race. So, it's not all halcyon days for everyone.

I meet people from Europe every day at work. There's no such thing as European Culture, that suggests a pan-European mind set, and it doesn't exist. The French are still French, the Italians do their own thing, Spain remains a mystery to its neighbors, and Austrians get really ticked off if you confuse them with Germans. The Dutch and Belgians are fun individualists, and Sweden and Norway are their own worlds.

You have to look at a pre-WWI map of Europe before you can start to get a grip on who the people of Europe really are, and that includes Jews, because French Jews are French, Dutch Jews are Dutch, and so on.

Nothing you type exists in the real world.

 

[BStrong]

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The Jews favorite theme - the holohoax is the 'ultimate evil' and the whole of Europe bears the guilt - is promoted by the EU as the basis of European identity.

Holohoax - favorite buzzword of the impotent since WWII.

 

[Degeneve]

Saggy seems to have used in other threads the same tactic of simply refusing to address questions and debunking of his claims.

As I noted earlier he is following a self written script and doesn't have time or the evidence to deal with those more knowledgeable in the subject.

Common issue with Holocaust deniers: they are unable to make their homework...

 

[Saggy]

Let's see how the EU deals with the really tough questions, is the holohoax just another genocide, or is it unique in world history ????? From 'EUROPEAN HISTORICAL MEMORY: POLICIES, CHALLENGES AND PERSPECTIVES':

"Public debate during the Historikerstreit (“historians’ quarrel”) in the second half of the 1980s were thus highly charged with emotion, after German right-wing historians had raised the issue of the comparability of Nazi Germany crimes with those of the Soviet Union. At the heart of what developed into a bitter controversy with intrinsic political dimensions was the question of the singularity of Auschwitz: while a group of conservative historians, most prominently Ernst Nolte and Andreas Hillgruber, essentially argued that the Holocaust was not fundamentally different to other experiences of state terror and mass extermination in the 20th century, this view was vehemently repudiated by mainstream left-wing intellectuals who insisted on the uniqueness of the “Final Solution” and denounced the historians’ writings as politically charged and revisionist.80"

Now, let's ask ourselves the question that troubles the best minds of the EU, is 'the holohoax fundamentally different from other experiences of state terror and mass extermination'? Answer: yes, the holohoax is fundamentally different from examples of other state sponsored terror save one, the only extensively studied historical event comparable to the holohoax is the Salem witch trials.

And now ..... let's watch the mice scurry

 

[Arisia]

And I'm pretty sure most Jewish people are white, so saying that Jewish people are trying to destroy 'the white race' is a bit confusing to me.

 

[trustbutverify]

And now ..... let's watch the mice scurry

Which "mice"?

 

[LemmyCaution]

And now ..... let's watch the mice scurry

Because you keep dodging criticisms of your claims and refusing to debate contrary views to yours? Or because historians and non-historians differ on the the uniqueness/precedent for the Holocaust? Hardly. This is old hat, Saggy. Comparative genocide study - which, er, compares genocides to find patterns, risk factors, and similarities and differences among genocides - has taken these issues well beyond the frame of the Historikerstreit in the 1980s.

 

[Mycroft]

Now, let's ask ourselves the question that troubles the best minds of the EU, is 'the holohoax fundamentally different from other experiences of state terror and mass extermination'? Answer: yes, the holohoax is fundamentally different from examples of other state sponsored terror save one, the only extensively studied historical event comparable to the holohoax is the Salem witch trials.

It seems to me if you honestly believe the Holocaust is like the Salem witch trials, then the question of how it compares to other genocides becomes moot. This suggests your reason for bringing it up is because you erroneously believe any controversy over history somehow supports your revisionism no matter how little correlation on fact there is.


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[CaptainHowdy]

And I'm pretty sure most Jewish people are white, so saying that Jewish people are trying to destroy 'the white race' is a bit confusing to me.

Jews have more to lose in the current state of affairs than anybody. At the current rate that European leaders are flooding the continent with refugees it will be one big brown skinned Islamic caliphate in a few years. Jews will remain the wealthiest people in Europe but given their habit of inbreeding and non-assimilation, they will become the only White people. As the wealthiest, and most conspicuous racial minority, life will get very ugly for them. I am also not understanding why they would want this unless they think that this will bring their Messiah.

 

[Elagabalus]

Jews have more to lose in the current state of affairs than anybody. At the current rate that European leaders are flooding the continent with refugees it will be one big brown skinned Islamic caliphate in a few years. Jews will remain the wealthiest people in Europe but given their habit of inbreeding and non-assimilation, they will become the only White people. As the wealthiest, and most conspicuous racial minority, life will get very ugly for them. I am also not understanding why they would want this unless they think that this will bring their Messiah.

You haven't been to Europe for a while, have you?

 

[Degeneve]

Let's see how the EU deals with the really tough questions, is the holohoax just another genocide, or is it unique in world history ????? From 'EUROPEAN HISTORICAL MEMORY: POLICIES, CHALLENGES AND PERSPECTIVES':

"Public debate during the Historikerstreit (“historians’ quarrel”) in the second half of the 1980s were thus highly charged with emotion, after German right-wing historians had raised the issue of the comparability of Nazi Germany crimes with those of the Soviet Union. At the heart of what developed into a bitter controversy with intrinsic political dimensions was the question of the singularity of Auschwitz: while a group of conservative historians, most prominently Ernst Nolte and Andreas Hillgruber, essentially argued that the Holocaust was not fundamentally different to other experiences of state terror and mass extermination in the 20th century, this view was vehemently repudiated by mainstream left-wing intellectuals who insisted on the uniqueness of the “Final Solution” and denounced the historians’ writings as politically charged and revisionist.80"

Now, let's ask ourselves the question that troubles the best minds of the EU, is 'the holohoax fundamentally different from other experiences of state terror and mass extermination'? Answer: yes, the holohoax is fundamentally different from examples of other state sponsored terror save one, the only extensively studied historical event comparable to the holohoax is the Salem witch trials.

And now ..... let's watch the mice scurry

By the way none of the historians involved in the Historikerstreit, including Nolte or Hillgruber, has questioned the reality of the Holocaust and the fact that between 5 and 6 millions of Jews have been murdered by the nazis or denied it took place.

So using this to make your point only shows you have absolutely no clue of what you're talking...

 

[zooterkin]

You haven't been to Europe for a while, have you?

Or possibly ever.

 

[Hans]

Or possibly ever.

You can find the percentages that go with those colors here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

Of course this map deals with is Islam as the religion and says nothing about race. However, I've been to Syria and I worked in the region for 20+ years and employed people from all these countries. Most Muslim's from the ME are white. This excludes the majority of Egyptians, those that have African parentage, etc.

It seems Howdy is being a bit panicky.

 

[LemmyCaution]

You haven't been to Europe for a while, have you?

Doesn't seem to know many Jews either.

 

[Border Reiver]

Now, let's ask ourselves the question that troubles the best minds of the EU, is 'the holohoax fundamentally different from other experiences of state terror and mass extermination'? Answer: yes, the holohoax is fundamentally different from examples of other state sponsored terror save one, the only extensively studied historical event comparable to the holohoax is the Salem witch trials.

And now ..... let's watch the mice scurry

You have no clue about history, do you?

First, the three major genocides of the 20th century - the Armenian, the Holocaust and Rwandan are similar in that they were state sponsored, but very different in execution.

The Armenian genocide involved the apparatus is the state moving large populations without providing adequate supplies and made no provisions for them purchasing more - the Ottomans killed through calculated indifference.

The Rwandan state exploited deep seeded animosities to get one group to slaughter another.

In the Holocaust, the Nazis attempted to employ the full force of a bureaucratic state to organize the systematic slaughter of several ethnic groups.

Salem on the other hand, was not a genocide at all.

 

[Jeffk 1970]

The favorite tactic of hasbara on this board is to flood the discussion with zero-content comments like yours. Unfortunately there is nothing I can do but point it out.

And, I'm not even sure that I am allowed to point it out, so ... this will be the last time.

Hasbara? Isn't that some sort of dish on Star Trek?