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BStrong said:
That's what CNN is reporting:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-traffic-is-captured/?utm_term=.8919f5a44d81

But 1st and 3rd degree charges sounds screwy to me too - never went down in the jurisdiction where I served.
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I looked it up and got this:
Voluntary manslaughter: (also referred to as third-degree murder), sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed".

I suppose it could result from an unintentional, spontaneous murder. Maybe that does fit road rage best. Spur of the moment.
 
marplots said:
I looked it up and got this:
Voluntary manslaughter: (also referred to as third-degree murder), sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed".

I suppose it could result from an unintentional, spontaneous murder. Maybe that does fit road rage best. Spur of the moment.
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May well be - usually the drill is start high, (charges) trade low, but every jurisdiction has heir way of doing things.

If the facts are as stated it may be that a 3rd degree charge is a better fit, and the fact that he turned himself in and evidently hasn't destroyed evidence is all in his favor.
 
marplots said:
I looked it up and got this:
Voluntary manslaughter: (also referred to as third-degree murder), sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed".

I suppose it could result from an unintentional, spontaneous murder. Maybe that does fit road rage best. Spur of the moment.
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It has to do with if lesser versions of the murder charge are allowed or it must be all or nothing. I know being able to convict on manslaughter instead of murder is not exactly an uncommon thing for a jury to decide.
 
It frightens me that there are individuals on the road, or everywhere frankly, that are put together in such a way as to be this dangerous.

I don't understand. I've said **** you in a car to someone who cut me off, but I can stand outside of it and recognize the anger. What happens? How does someone's brain trip over into the idea that the person who cuts you off deserves death? Is it being 'Top dog" - ie "No one tells me what to do..." ?
 
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The Sparrow said:
It frightens me that there are individuals on the road, or everywhere frankly, that are put together in such a way as to be this dangerous.

I don't understand. I've said **** you in a car to someone who cut me off, but I can stand outside of it and recognize the anger. What happens? How does someone's brain trip over into the idea that the person who cuts you off deserves death? Is it being 'Top dog" - ie "No one tells me what to do..." ?
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"And the red mist descended."

ETA: I work out all my anger issues here in the forum. Best (and cheapest) therapy ever.
 
The Sparrow said:
It frightens me that there are individuals on the road, or everywhere frankly, that are put together in such a way as to be this dangerous.

I don't understand. I've said **** you in a car to someone who cut me off, but I can stand outside of it and recognize the anger. What happens? How does someone's brain trip over into the idea that the person who cuts you off deserves death? Is it being 'Top dog" - ie "No one tells me what to do..." ?
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Cost a friend of mine his life:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Road-Rage-Driver-Jailed-His-truck-killed-2951208.php

Declaring that "road rage is out of control in our society," a San Mateo County Superior Court judge yesterday sentenced a man to nine months in jail for running over and killing a motorcyclist he had argued with minutes earlier.

Gerald Neal Bowen, 53, who had pleaded no contest in November to misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter, tearfully apologized yesterday to the family of Oakland motorcyclist Julius Long, 49, who died on Skyline Drive near Westridge Avenue in Daly City on Christmas Eve, 1999.

The murderer served less than 90 days on work furlough, meaning he went to work during the week and spent his off-time and weekends in a county facility.
 
I'm sure if he had had a knife he would've killed her with that instead. Or maybe with a swimming pool.
 
BStrong said:
A fact not in evidence.

More like an assertion looking for something to stick to.
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Of course it is, otherwise this would be a legal gun owner just hauling off and killing someone for no reason and we know that never happens to responsible gun owners.
 
BStrong said:
Cost a friend of mine his life:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Road-Rage-Driver-Jailed-His-truck-killed-2951208.php

Declaring that "road rage is out of control in our society," a San Mateo County Superior Court judge yesterday sentenced a man to nine months in jail for running over and killing a motorcyclist he had argued with minutes earlier.

Gerald Neal Bowen, 53, who had pleaded no contest in November to misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter, tearfully apologized yesterday to the family of Oakland motorcyclist Julius Long, 49, who died on Skyline Drive near Westridge Avenue in Daly City on Christmas Eve, 1999.

The murderer served less than 90 days on work furlough, meaning he went to work during the week and spent his off-time and weekends in a county facility.
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What? He only got nine months for intentionally killing someone?

Where is the justice in that?
 
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Yes, there is another thread, and I said this in it, more or less:

After driving a lot of miles the past 4 months, I am more in favor of preventing deaths on the road than I am with guns. I have avoided death several times on the highways from people who just don't pay attention to their surroundings.

I know the "cars are dangerous too" thing gets laughed at in gun threads, but I'd rather concentrate on road fatalities and bad, very bad drivers than guns. Hopefully autonomous cars will help. I was against them before, but now I anxiously await them. I'm sure there will be problems with that, but it can't be as bad as it is now.

I can almost understand wanting to shoot a very bad driver, especially one that may have almost killed you moments before. Let's get better training before handing out licenses and maybe road rage won't be such a problem.
 
smartcooky said:
What? He only got nine months for intentionally killing someone?

Where is the justice in that?
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He did less than 90 days. Work furlough.

Meanwhile, same time frame, different jurisdiction, different victim, different offender(prior convictions) circumstances:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Road-rage-dog-tosser-sentenced-to-3-years-Judge-2898540.php

The strange, sad tale of Leo the dog came to a close in San Jose yesterday as the man convicted of hurling the bichon frise to his death on a roadway was sentenced to three years in state prison.

Cheers filled the standing-room-only courtroom as Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Kevin J. Murphy imposed on Andrew Douglas Burnett the maximum term allowed under California law for an animal cruelty conviction.
 
BStrong said:
He did less than 90 days. Work furlough.

Meanwhile, same time frame, different jurisdiction, different victim, different offender(prior convictions) circumstances:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Road-rage-dog-tosser-sentenced-to-3-years-Judge-2898540.php

The strange, sad tale of Leo the dog came to a close in San Jose yesterday as the man convicted of hurling the bichon frise to his death on a roadway was sentenced to three years in state prison.

Cheers filled the standing-room-only courtroom as Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Kevin J. Murphy imposed on Andrew Douglas Burnett the maximum term allowed under California law for an animal cruelty conviction.
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SF Bay Area baby! Looney Tunes central!
 
The Sparrow said:
It frightens me that there are individuals on the road, or everywhere frankly, that are put together in such a way as to be this dangerous.

I don't understand. I've said **** you in a car to someone who cut me off, but I can stand outside of it and recognize the anger. What happens? How does someone's brain trip over into the idea that the person who cuts you off deserves death? Is it being 'Top dog" - ie "No one tells me what to do..." ?
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Maybe it a toomah. :D

Seriously, brain anomalies can affect psychological function. Remember Young Franknenstien and Abby's brain?

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/hypothalamic-hamartoma/

For those with epilepsy, gelastic (laughing) seizures, is the presenting symptom, often during infancy. Associated symptoms can include developmental delay, cognitive deterioration, and psychiatric symptoms such as rage behaviors. ...Hypothalamic hamartomas are relatively rare. Population-based research has shown that HH with epilepsy occurs in 1 of 200,000 children and adolescents. .....
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BStrong said:
He did less than 90 days. Work furlough.

Meanwhile, same time frame, different jurisdiction, different victim, different offender(prior convictions) circumstances:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Road-rage-dog-tosser-sentenced-to-3-years-Judge-2898540.php

The strange, sad tale of Leo the dog came to a close in San Jose yesterday as the man convicted of hurling the bichon frise to his death on a roadway was sentenced to three years in state prison.

Cheers filled the standing-room-only courtroom as Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Kevin J. Murphy imposed on Andrew Douglas Burnett the maximum term allowed under California law for an animal cruelty conviction.
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I think the three year sentence was entirely appropriate, but what your friend's killer got was a travesty.
 
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