It CAN Happen Here....

[Bob001]

A blogger has recorded week-by-week all the Trump atrocities that historically have characterized the beginnings of an authoritarian takeover:

The idea, she said, came from her post-election reading about how authoritarian governments take hold — often with incremental changes that seem shocking at first but quickly become normalized. Each post begins with: “Experts in authoritarianism advise to keep a list of things subtly changing around you, so you’ll remember.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...5fd8e0c288f_story.html?utm_term=.ff694ff00f22
https://medium.com/@Amy_Siskind
https://public.tableau.com/profile/...kindWeeklyListOfChanges_0/AmySiskindDashboard

 

[dudalb]

If you check my posting history, You know how much I despise Donald Trump.
But still, I think some of this "doom Porn" is silly.

 

[uke2se]

If you check my posting history, You know how much I despise Donald Trump.
But still, I think some of this "doom Porn" is silly.

The "doom porn" is a list of news articles detailing, among other things, how a foreign power influenced, hacked and possibly altered the result of the 2016 election, and how the resulting winner of that election is effectively dismantling oversight and checks and balances.

But yeah, it's just silly.

 

[dudalb]

The "doom porn" is a list of news articles detailing, among other things, how a foreign power influenced, hacked and possibly altered the result of the 2016 election, and how the resulting winner of that election is effectively dismantling oversight and checks and balances.

But yeah, it's just silly.

Not silly, but I just do not see America on the verge of becoming a dictatorship.
If I wanted do I could point at how some on the left seem ok with using violence to silence their opponents,which is just as bad.

 

[Beerina]

Wake me up when journalists start mysteriously, and not-so-mysteriously, dying, powerful opposition are railroaded into jail on minor or made-up charges, and a military helicopter attacks the Supreme Court who suspended the legislature to take it over themselves, then reversed themselves when they realized they went too far.

 

[Giz]

This is just pathetically sore losers.

Look, he's an embarrassing Berlusconi type figure. But he's not hitler and the USA will survive him just fine.

This hysterical sky is falling nonsense is unbecoming adult citizens.

 

[uke2se]

Not silly, but I just do not see America on the verge of becoming a dictatorship.
If I wanted do I could point at how some on the left seem ok with using violence to silence their opponents,which is just as bad.

Probably not on the verge, but on its way. Do you think that just because you aren't quite there yet it's nothing to worry about?

 

[Bob001]

Wake me up when journalists start mysteriously, and not-so-mysteriously, dying, powerful opposition are railroaded into jail on minor or made-up charges, and a military helicopter attacks the Supreme Court who suspended the legislature to take it over themselves, then reversed themselves when they realized they went too far.

Interesting that you would use those examples. A Trumpet on CNN defended Trump in similar terms, and archconservative Charles Krauthammer responded:

“When you defend the president of the United States by pointing out that he hasn’t sent the tanks out in the streets to shut down the media, you’ve reached a fairly low level of defense,” Krauthammer countered.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ika-brzezinski-tweets/?utm_term=.6033cb325ef2

We have a right to expect better than we're getting from Trump,.

 

[uke2se]

This is just pathetically sore losers.

Look, he's an embarrassing Berlusconi type figure. But he's not hitler and the USA will survive him just fine.

This hysterical sky is falling nonsense is unbecoming adult citizens.

You might note that the list consists of news articles. Are you accusing the media of being hysterical when they report on the things Trump and his cronies do?

 

[Giz]

You might note that the list consists of news articles. Are you accusing the media of being hysterical when they report on the things Trump and his cronies do?

Yes, a lot of the media are being hysterical and fear mongering.

 

[uke2se]

Yes, a lot of the media are being hysterical and fear mongering.

For reporting what Trump does?

 

[Bob001]

This is just pathetically sore losers.

Look, he's an embarrassing Berlusconi type figure. But he's not hitler and the USA will survive him just fine.

This hysterical sky is falling nonsense is unbecoming adult citizens.

Trump is making decisions that will have long-term, potentially irreversible consequences. Cutting health insurance coverage for the poor leads directly to deaths. Cutting environmental protections allows damaging effects that could have been prevented. Cutting taxes for the richest people in the country increases deficits and reduces money available for all programs. Putting right-wing jurists on the Supreme Court shapes the laws for generations. Etc., etc.

 

[Bob001]

Yes, a lot of the media are being hysterical and fear mongering.

The media reports the facts. If you think hysteria and fear are the result, that says something about the facts, doesn't it?

 

[dudalb]

Yes, a lot of the media are being hysterical and fear mongering.

You have to distinguish between the reporting and the commentary.
I think the Washington Post's commentary on Trump is a little over the top,but their reporting on him is damaging,becasue they can back it up.

 

[Giz]

For reporting what Trump does?

I'll try and make it simple for you:

There is non-hysterical, sober reporting. And then there is Daily Mail hysteria and taking the worst possible exaggerated interpretation of everything.

That is what a lot of the press are doing - behaving like the daily mail. (you do accept that the daily mail exists, right? that the press can behave irresponsibly?)

 

[dudalb]

Interesting that you would use those examples. A Trumpet on CNN defended Trump in similar terms, and archconservative Charles Krauthammer responded:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ika-brzezinski-tweets/?utm_term=.6033cb325ef2

We have a right to expect better than we're getting from Trump,.

And Krauthammer ain't no Liberal......


And THAT is a major problem I have with a lot of people here.......that anybody who is has conservative views...ie,might be skeptical of big government.....is either evil,an idiot, or both.
If Trump was a liberal but behaving the same way, I would be just as opposed to him. I can't say I think a lot of people here would do the same.

 

[NoahFence]

Wake me up when journalists start mysteriously, and not-so-mysteriously, dying, powerful opposition are railroaded into jail on minor or made-up charges, and a military helicopter attacks the Supreme Court who suspended the legislature to take it over themselves, then reversed themselves when they realized they went too far.

So be reactionary rather than pro-active.

Gotcha.

Uh, no.

 

[dudalb]

I'll try and make it simple for you:

There is non-hysterical, sober reporting. And then there is Daily Mail hysteria and taking the worst possible exaggerated interpretation of everything.

That is what a lot of the press are doing - behaving like the daily mail. (you do accept that the daily mail exists, right? that the press can behave irresponsibly?)

US Journalism a bit different then what you see in Britian is that..although there are exception...as far as print media goes, there is a strong tradition of separation of the News Division and the Editorial Page. That does not exist as strongly in the UK.

 

[Giz]

You have to distinguish between the reporting and the commentary.
I think the Washington Post's commentary on Trump is a little over the top, but their reporting on him is damaging, because they can back it up.

Yes, agreed - and compiling reports of his missteps is a useful exercise. But what I am decrying is the over the top hysteria (i.e. "it can happen here", "week by week all the Trump atrocities"). I mean, substitute "embarrassment" for "atrocity" and the second quote seems OK... but "atrocity", come on.

 

[uke2se]

I'll try and make it simple for you:

There is non-hysterical, sober reporting. And then there is Daily Mail hysteria and taking the worst possible exaggerated interpretation of everything.

That is what a lot of the press are doing - behaving like the daily mail. (you do accept that the daily mail exists, right? that the press can behave irresponsibly?)

Which articles in the list are you talking about specifically?

For example, is reporting the link between the private prison industry and Trump hysterical?

Is reporting that Trump has deals with convicted criminals, or that some of his businesses are being accused for being money laundering operations hysterical?

How about the fact that Trump made 669 false or misleading claims during his first 151 days in power? Is reporting that hysterical?