The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 25

[Stacyhs]

Careful. You can't accuse Mignini of corruption as you have no proof he broke the law .

The Micheli closing submissions: so what? It was his JOB as - hello? - Public Prosecutor to submit the prosecution case.

You accused Hellmann of being corrupt when you have no proof that he broke the law either. As you said last Feb 14:

It is Hellmann's corrupt practices I eschew.

 

[Vixen]

You accused Hellmann of being corrupt when you have no proof that he broke the law either. As you said last Feb 14:

Er, you have read Chieffi...?

 

[Stacyhs]

Er, you have read Chieffi...?

Quote Chieffi saying Hellmann was corrupt because he broke the law.

 

[Vixen]

Breaking

Deleted.

 

[bagels]

Er, you have read Chieffi...?

Chieffi is very explicit. He disagrees with Hellmann's interpretation of the evidence, and substitutes his own preferred interpretation, despite supposedly being barred from doing so. He does this for literally each and every piece of evidence evaluated. He worked to change a verdict from Not Guilty to Guilty, because he either personally believed Amanda was guilty and didn't care what the lower court found, or because he wanted to appease the political climate in Italy surrounding the case. Had nothing whatsoever to do with the law or any alleged corruption, no matter how much you and Mach rant and rave about it. That's why there's no Hellmann investigation. M&B cleaned up Chieffi's mess (sloppily). Caso chiuso.

 

[bagels]

Fake news stuff

Stop embarrassing yourself. You're literally obsessing over some random American dorky kid from Seattle that had nothing to do with anything while a few idiot cops and their lead clown prosecutor made a hash of it.

Like, IMO you should move on to another case. The JonBenet Ramsey case is good because it's unsolvable, so you can entertain yourself indefinitely with that one. I highly recommend it.

 

[Stacyhs]

Still waiting, Vixen. Quote Chieffi saying Hellmann was corrupt and broke the law.

Er, you have read Chieffi...? So you must be able to do so, right?

 

[Methos]

Careful. You can't accuse Mignini of corruption as you have no proof he broke the law .

Please point me to the part or parts of my post where I "accuse Mignini of corruption".

The Micheli closing submissions: so what? It was his JOB as - hello? - Public Prosecutor to submit the prosecution case.

Before you go all "hello?" on me, you might want to actually read two things: my post and the quote from the court document.
Google translates this one quite nicely...

It looks like Dr Mignini is making the point that Amanda Knox should be tried (and convicted) of murder simply because the American Media (especially CNN ) dared to question the case he brought against her. This of course is to be taken as an insult not only to him, but also to the state of Italy and every Italian living or dead because "He as a prosecutor represents Italy" so questioning him is questioning "Italy"...
The problem seems to be, that that line of reasoning worked with judges Micheli, Massei and Chieffi... (Nencini never used his own brain, he just followed the orders he was given... )

 

[Numbers]

Chieffi is very explicit. He disagrees with Hellmann's interpretation of the evidence, and substitutes his own preferred interpretation, despite supposedly being barred from doing so. He does this for literally each and every piece of evidence evaluated. He worked to change a verdict from Not Guilty to Guilty, because he either personally believed Amanda was guilty and didn't care what the lower court found, or because he wanted to appease the political climate in Italy surrounding the case. Had nothing whatsoever to do with the law or any alleged corruption, no matter how much you and Mach rant and rave about it. That's why there's no Hellmann investigation. M&B cleaned up Chieffi's mess (sloppily). Caso chiuso.

Do you have a reference (actual Italian law) for this statement? Where does the supposition come from that the CSC, in the case that it agrees with an appeal argument that the grounds of a judgment are lacking, contradictory or manifestly illogical, may not present its own interpretation of the evidence presented in the trial documents?

 

[Stacyhs]

Looks like the sickos have been at it again. I'm sure the diehards over on TJMK, especially those who have written their own disgusting fantasies, will be so disappointed that this story is fake:

Amanda Knox has was found dead early Sunday evening at her Seattle, Washington home. She was 29 years old.

Police responded to the Seattle home after receiving a 911 emergency call for a “unresponsive female”. Upon entering the residence, police found Knox’s deceased body in the bathroom.

Little information is known at this time and police intend to investigate the cause of death.

“We found Ms. Knox in her bathroom deceased around 7:40 pm Sunday,” said Seattle Police Chief James J. Freda in a brief statement to Local CBS News. “We found no reason to believe foul play was a factor in her death but intend to perform a full investigation.

A source who was at the scene spoke to CNN on condition anonymity due to the ongoing investigation, confirmed that Knox had left a note confessing to involvement in the murder of Meredith Kercher and asking for forgiveness.

Her parents, Edda and Curt, released a statement. “This morning, we lost our daughter and our best friend, we are completely heartbroken,” she said. “We are asking for privacy during our time of immense grief,”

Knox who spent almost four years in an Italian prison following her conviction for the 2007 murder of Meredith Kercher, a fellow exchange student who shared her apartment. In 2015, Knox was definitively acquitted by the Supreme Court of Cassation.

http://www.cnn-globalnews.com/2017/...ent-suicide-leaves-note-confessing-to-murder/

Update: the "story" has now been removed.

 

[bagels]

Do you have a reference (actual Italian law) for this statement? Where does the supposition come from that the CSC, in the case that it agrees with an appeal argument that the grounds of a judgment are lacking, contradictory or manifestly illogical, may not present its own interpretation of the evidence presented in the trial documents?

That's why I said "supposedly."

It was the PIP argument after Chieffi, and the PGP argument now with M&B.

My response is the same, which is to quote a PGP poster who put it so eloquently after Chieffi:

"Clearly the Supreme Court had a different interpretation of its role than the one you posted."

 

[Numbers]

That's why I said "supposedly."

It was the PIP argument after Chieffi, and the PGP argument now with M&B.

My response is the same, which is to quote a PGP poster who put it so eloquently after Chieffi:

"Clearly the Supreme Court had a different interpretation of its role than the one you posted."

CPP Article 606.1e is the procedural law that allows the CSC to re-interpret evidence that has been documented in the trial record, if the appeal arguments include a claim that the grounds of the appealed judgment are lacking, contradictory or manifestly illogical and the CSC accepts the validity of that claim.

Italian law does not explicitly allow the CSC to itself present an interpretation of evidence that is lacking, contradictory or manifestly illogical, but neither does it have a mechanism to prevent such arbitrariness. However, a final conviction based on such an interpretation could be declared unfair by the ECHR. Since the CSC does not hear evidence, witnesses or the accused, any conviction by the CSC after an acquittal, without an intermediary trial hearing the accused and relevant evidence reasonably contradicting the grounds for acquittal would be a violation of ECHR case-law.

In this case, where the Chieffi CSC interpretation was not part of a final judgment - because it annulled an acquittal - and became essentially (in large part) the interpretation adopted by the Nencini remand court, the Marasca CSC panel in judging the appeal of the Nencini court's verdict of conviction adopted its own (reasonable) interpretation of the evidence and made that final by annulling the Nencini court's conviction and pronouncing an acquittal.

 

[Anode]

Looks like the sickos have been at it again. I'm sure the diehards over on TJMK, especially those who have written their own disgusting fantasies, will be so disappointed that this story is fake:



http://www.cnn-globalnews.com/2017/...ent-suicide-leaves-note-confessing-to-murder/

Update: the "story" has now been removed.

Is cnn-globalnews actually part of CNN or is it just fake news? Now they are reporting that Clint Eastwood died. Don't know if I should believe that one.

Who does this??? Sick.

 

[Anode]

Is cnn-globalnews actually part of CNN or is it just fake news? Now they are reporting that Clint Eastwood died. Don't know if I should believe that one.

Who does this??? Sick.

Okay, answered my own question. Total fake news site.

 

[acbytesla]

Is cnn-globalnews actually part of CNN or is it just fake news? Now they are reporting that Clint Eastwood died. Don't know if I should believe that one.

Who does this??? Sick.

It's a hack. But you know it was done by one of the sick puppies we know all too well. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't someone who posts on this site. Definitely someone who posts on TJMK OR PMF. These people are freaks.

 

[Vixen]

It's a hack. But you know it was done by one of the sick puppies we know all too well. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't someone who posts on this site. Definitely someone who posts on TJMK OR PMF. These people are freaks.

Your judgement would be wrong.

Mark Miller is a professional fake-news emanator. He makes real money from clickbait. He wrote a book about it, claiming it as humor (really?).

https://www.amazon.com/500-Dates-Dispatches-Online-Dating/dp/1629144665

Posted by Peter Quennell on 06/19/17 at 04:49 PM |

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index..._high_defeinition_drone_photography/#comments


It is obviously a hoax as Knox doesn't have a conscience and would never say sorry.

'Humor'? About as funny as a boil on a bottom.

 

[Stacyhs]

Your judgement would be wrong.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index..._high_defeinition_drone_photography/#comments


It is obviously a hoax as Knox doesn't have a conscience and would never say sorry.

'Humor'? About as funny as a boil on a bottom.

I agree it's as funny as a boil on a bottom. People who would write disgusting fake "suicide" stories or ones hoping for someone to commit suicide, have no sense of decency. One really has to wonder what makes them do such things.

 

[acbytesla]

I agree it's as funny as a boil on a bottom. People who would write disgusting fake "suicide" stories or ones hoping for someone to commit suicide, have no sense of decency. One really has to wonder what makes them do such things.

But for anyone to suggest that this is beyond the members of TJMK and PMF simply haven't been paying attention. Graham Rhodes for example deserves to get a good pummeling for the sick things he has posted. Not that I'm advocating violence even if it is for a pig like him.

Interesting side note is that the West Seattle Herald has had close to a half a million more hits today as a result.

 

[Stacyhs]

But for anyone to suggest that this is beyond the members of TJMK and PMF simply haven't been paying attention. Graham Rhodes for example deserves to get a good pummeling for the sick things he has posted. Not that I'm advocating violence even if it is for a pig like him.

Interesting side note is that the West Seattle Herald has had close to a half a million more hits today as a result.

That was my first thought, too; another sicko who obsesses on Knox. Heaven knows I've seen enough really disgusting posts directed at her in the last 9.5 years so it certainly wasn't out of the realm of possibility.

 

[acbytesla]

That was my first thought, too; another sicko who obsesses on Knox. Heaven knows I've seen enough really disgusting posts directed at her in the last 9.5 years so it certainly wasn't out of the realm of possibility.

Yeah, it's not like it's 'out of character.' Many of the things I've read posted on this site have been pretty sick, but they are mild compared to things I've read elsewhere.