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Justice Department appoints special prosecutor for Trump/Russia

It is also a dumb argument that the collusion campaign collapsed​. To this day we don't know if Nixon conspired on the break in. I won't defend our obstruction laws, but they probably partly exist to get around the difficulty of charging certain crimes.
 
BobTheCoward said:
It is also a dumb argument that the collusion campaign collapsed​. To this day we don't know if Nixon conspired on the break in. I won't defend our obstruction laws, but they probably partly exist to get around the difficulty of charging certain crimes.
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Yeah because otherwise obstructing justice is completely acceptable.
 
BobTheCoward said:
It is also a dumb argument that the collusion campaign collapsed​. To this day we don't know if Nixon conspired on the break in. I won't defend our obstruction laws, but they probably partly exist to get around the difficulty of charging certain crimes.
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Just in case it escaped your fine eye for detail, but it should be illegal for anyone (including a president) to obstruct an investigation into an illegal activity.

Otherwise, then every criminal who has an investigation pending against him will be quite motivated obstruct that investigation in order to keep out of legal trouble.
 
Crossbow said:
Just in case it escaped your fine eye for detail, but it should be illegal for anyone (including a president) to obstruct an investigation into an illegal activity.

Otherwise, then every criminal who has an investigation pending against him will be quite motivated obstruct that investigation in order to keep out of legal trouble.
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Should is a value judgement I am not joining you on.
 
Crossbow said:
Make sure to tell that the judge that the word "should" is a value judgement when you go to court for exceeding the speed limit which you should have followed.
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The existence of a lot of laws are based on the value judgements of the people that enacted them. I don't see why that judge would disagree.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The existence of a lot of laws are based on the value judgements of the people that enacted them. I don't see why that judge would disagree.
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So fine.

Make sure to use your definition for the word "should" and let us know how that works as a legal defense.
 
Crossbow said:
So fine.

Make sure to use your definition for the word "should" and let us know how that works as a legal defense.
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I never argued it was a legal defense or a defense at all. I think we all understand that we can still be found guilty of laws we disagree with.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I never argued it was a legal defense or a defense at all. I think we all understand that we can still be found guilty of laws we disagree with.
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As is so often the case, you are backpedaling again.

You argued "I won't defend our obstruction laws, but they probably partly exist to get around the difficulty of charging certain crimes.".

And now you say that you never were arguing a legal defense.
 
Crossbow said:
As is so often the case, you are backpedaling again.

You argued "I won't defend our obstruction laws, but they probably partly exist to get around the difficulty of charging certain crimes.".

And now you say that you never were arguing a legal defense.
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I was arguing a legal offense. The laws were probably found to be very useful to get a person where proving they committed the main crime is difficult. So, someone like tump saying they didn't find anything on collusion misses the point. Collusion is hard, obstruction of justice for that collusion is purposely easier.

I don't know how you would read a statement that it is easier to get someone for obstruction is a legal defense.
 
Argumemnon said:
That has nothing to do with what Bob said, Crossbow. He disagreed with the thought that it should be illegal, not that it's enforced when it is.
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And I only added that I wasn't going to defend it in my first post so no one would say ,"now look who loves US law." I didn't want a point about Trump not understanding obstruction to be about my weird aversion to the US system.
 
Eddie Dane said:
Incredible.

Couldn't the GOP field one competent candidate who was big on border security and factory jobs plus a bit of Reagan-like patriotic talk?
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Truthfully, they did field such candidates. But the base wanted "I hate group x!" instead.

Hell, check out what just happened in Virginia - an out-of-state guy who screeched about Jim Crow-era Confederate monuments and called his more reasonable opponent a "cuckservative" (seriously!) nearly won the GOP nomination for governor.
 
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Special counsel is investigating Jared Kushner’s business dealings.

Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller is investigating the finances and business dealings of Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, as part of the probe into Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election, according to officials familiar with the matter.

FBI agents and federal prosecutors have also been examining the financial dealings of other Trump associates, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn, former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Carter Page, who was listed as a foreign policy adviser for the campaign.

The Washington Post had earlier reported that investigators were scrutinizing separate meetings that Kushner held with Russians in December — first with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak and then with Sergey Gorkov, the head of a state-owned Russian development bank. At the time of that report it was not clear that the FBI was investigating Kushner’s business dealings.

The officials who described the financial focus of the investigation spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
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This thought just popped into my head. Has anyone looked into any efforts, on the part of the Russians, to place their thumb on the scale of the past few U.S. presidential elections, or are all resources being spent solely on the most recent one?
 
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