angrysoba
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Sure it does. If you say so, who can argue?
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Sure it does. If you say so, who can argue?
Except it seems to. For sure Conservatives also hate young people but there's a certain racial bias to those who are less well thought of.
Oh, I'm not denying that Labour also don't try and pull that ****, which is why we all need the protection offered by the ECHR.
Many did, but a greater proportion returned to The Conservatives.
What's so odd about claiming that the Conservatives want a return to the 1950's ?
What so odd about claiming that the Conservatives want a return to 1950s' mores ? It may not be stated party policy but the Daily Mail and Daily Express continue to push the message....
Grammar Schools, The Board of Trade, withdrawing from Europe, withdrawing from the ECHR......
There's a perception that the 1950's were a golden time for the UK and like cargo-cultists the world over, the Conservative Party seem to believe that replicating the conditions will result in the same result.
angrysoba
Philosophile
I think you are just repeating a cliche.
"You know what the Conservatives want to do? They want to go back to the 1950s! Yes, the 1950s! They want to go back there. To the 1950s! Can you imagine? The 1950s! Where they think it was a Golden Age! The 1950s! The Nineteen bloody fifties!!!"
Your original statement was:
The data does not support that, and you seem to have backed away from that.
I think it may be between one half and one third going to Labour, although in some seats it looks like more.
It's a cliche that my older Tory-voting friends also seem to believe*. They are always harking back to then when they are bemoaning the current state of affairs. They want a much more homogeneous society, they don't want to have to deal with foreigners who come over here taking jobs, cluttering up the NHS, filling our schools, changing our towns and cities.
They seem to think that the late-1950s were a sweet spot. There were plenty of jobs with good wages, law and order was respected, we still had proper English Christian values. They seem to resent having to deal with "foreigners" on a day to day basis.
* - the ones of my age seem to hark back to the '80s instead
I don't. Look at the list of groups that Conservative voters rate well and those they don't. In the lower half Polish, Caribbean, Pakistani....
So, as I claimed, more went to the Conservatives - though I'd be interested to see where you got your figures because I couldn't find any good ones.
You seem to extrapolating from a limited sample.
Then also watch the TV, listen to Question Time and so on.....
angrysoba
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Your friends say this?
And the same applies for Labour voters. The Labour voters may score them slightly higher, but the differences between Conservative and Labour voters are not profound.
Yes, amazingly enough we manage to put aside differences in political outlook in order to maintain social relationships. In small communities like these, you cannot afford to fall out with too many people and if I only associated with lefties I could hold a party in a telephone booth round these parts.
angrysoba
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But according to you they are not just "not lefties", they are racists and xenophobes who hate "wogs", "poofs", Irish and blacks. Is the community you live in really so bereft of people with the barest tolerance of non-Golden Age 1950s Aryan race? I would find it a little hard to put such differences aside if I were having a party with them.
Yes, they are very uncomfortable around gay people and visibly recoil from them, and make the same tired old jokes about gay people that I used to see on TV back in the 70's. Yes they are certainly xenophobic, they don't want any more dark people in the country, and some of the lazy stereotyping they employ and old-fashioned racist jokes they tell (again similar to 70's vintage) leads me to believe they may be "soft" racists.
Their view of the Irish are more complicated. They enjoy going to Dublin to watch the rugby but Irish republicans are probably terrorists.
There are a smattering of people who are left right wing but it's quite an old demographic so they do tend towards the old-fashioned racists. Early on, I used to try and engage them in political discourse but Mrs Don was so scared that we'd have no friends that she suggested that I leave political debate to the online arena
I have of course complied.Or the Orange Order's own policies about intimidatory parades in Catholic areas
Let me get my head round this. Corbyn will be sending SAS units to blow up streets in Manchester, while moderate IRA gunmen try to stop them?
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angrysoba
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Yes, they are very uncomfortable around gay people and visibly recoil from them, and make the same tired old jokes about gay people that I used to see on TV back in the 70's. Yes they are certainly xenophobic, they don't want any more dark people in the country, and some of the lazy stereotyping they employ and old-fashioned racist jokes they tell (again similar to 70's vintage) leads me to believe they may be "soft" racists.
Their view of the Irish are more complicated. They enjoy going to Dublin to watch the rugby but Irish republicans are probably terrorists.
There are a smattering of people who are left right wing but it's quite an old demographic so they do tend towards the old-fashioned racists. Early on, I used to try and engage them in political discourse but Mrs Don was so scared that we'd have no friends that she suggested that I leave political debate to the online arena
Then you have my sympathies. When you are cordially invited over to an evening of racist banter, casual homophobia, nostalgic sexism and dark whisperings that maybe we fought on the wrong side in the war, it must be uncomfortable in the extreme. My own experience with Tories of a certain age is of the more Ken Clarke style red faced and amiable old fashioned fags and ale type.
ETA: though that is not to say I have not met the type you describe but I find their company insufferable.
angrysoba
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My word! Are saying Sinn Fein are the IRA!? Surely not!
If they weren't mad bombers and gunslingers why would terrorist Corbyn have anything to do with them?
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Oh no! Surely they weren't using the democratic process to permit parades in their own country! How can we stop this atrocity?
Will they? I never knew.
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The data is quite hard to interpret in detail but it looks like for example Tories are about 3 times less likely than a Labour or Lib Dem voter to think a twenty something Pakistani is honest.
Not half as scary as the ukip numbers mind you.