The Trump Presidency

[CapelDodger]

IANAL but this seems like terrible advice to give people that aren't your client.

He by-passed the White House Counsel's office? At best that looks remarkably clumsy.

Kasowitz's Russian connections are, of course, incidental, but illustrate a problem Trump has. What passes for his circle has been intimately associated with Russia since the days of Grand Theft : Soviet, so nobody's more than a degree or three from from any given dodgy Slav enterprise. Central to that game was money-laundering, which brings us to luxury Western property and more connections - however spurious - to Trump.

So unfair.

 

[CapelDodger]

Oh look, a new day when opening coal mines is news. And president DJT gets the credit.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/...d-trump-pennsylvania-fossil-fuels-regulations

"He praised Trump's easing of regulations and encouragement for fossil fuel exploration. "

Got any more details than that? For instance, the regulations which were holding this back and have been eased?

According to the story the coal produced is for steel-making (not that I'd put much faith in that). Is there increased demand for steel? Or is this mine actually replacing capacity retired for economic exhaustion?

 

[CapelDodger]

We'll make renewable energy for us.

A lot of people still believe the industry depends on subsidies and government encouragement, when of course it's well past the break-out point.

China will make it for everybody else. Nobody is going to want to do business with America.

They'll do business with California : the world will never fall out of love with California. Nor New York, New Orleans, Washington State ...

The swamp in Washington DC is what's lost its allure.

 

[quadraginta]

Yes, but to his followers that doesn't matter.

I want the GOP to rediscover their moral compass.

Good luck with that.

It isn't like they lost it or anything.

They smashed it against the floor and then started jumping up and down on the pieces.

They've been jumping on the pieces for a couple of decades now, at least.

They'd have to start from scratch and build a new one. I don't see any of them having the personal integrity to do that in the face of all the rest of their jumpers.

For one thing, it would be political suicide. Quickest route to getting marginalized.

It's alright to talk about it, but anyone in the GOP actually trying to do it inevitably finds themselves to be a pariah within the Party.

 

[Trebuchet]

IANAL but this seems like terrible advice to give people that aren't your client.

He by-passed the White House Counsel's office? At best that looks remarkably clumsy.

It makes perfect sense from Trump's point of view. Staff who retain their own lawyers will be advised to protect their own asses, not Trump's. That may include spilling what they know.

 

[Aridas]

Or is this mine actually replacing capacity retired for economic exhaustion?

As opposed to mineral depletion elsewhere? More coal mines opening even while an industry is in decline is of no surprise at all. There's still a lot being used in the US and worldwide, after all, and, especially this early in Trump's Presidency, openings are unlikely to have anything substantial to do with Trump. Reducing the regulations would tend to help make them more profitable businesses with greater potential costs to those living nearby, either way, which is likely about the only way that he and the Republicans were likely to have affected anything.

 

[logger]

Got any more details than that? For instance, the regulations which were holding this back and have been eased?

According to the story the coal produced is for steel-making (not that I'd put much faith in that). Is there increased demand for steel? Or is this mine actually replacing capacity retired for economic exhaustion?

Surprisingly you aren't getting it, Trump gets the credit no matter what evidence you need, your side will lose your critical working class vote again. And yes I know you aren't a citizen of this great country.

 

[logger]

We'll make renewable energy for us.

China will make it for everybody else. Nobody is going to want to do business with America.

Lol

No one could ever compete with slave labor, we don't lose anything. And we will still come up with technology and China will still steal it. The only difference is our economy won't be strappped with rules that support a hoax.

 

[CapelDodger]

As opposed to mineral depletion elsewhere? More coal mines opening even while an industry is in decline is of no surprise at all. There's still a lot being used in the US and worldwide, after all, and, especially this early in Trump's Presidency, openings are unlikely to have anything substantial to do with Trump.

Indeed. Continuity of supply is crucial to their customers, and will surely be planned for well ahead.

Reducing the regulations would tend to help make them more profitable businesses with greater potential costs to those living nearby, either way, which is likely about the only way that he and the Republicans were likely to have affected anything.

I'm far from convinced that regulations have more than a marginal influence, and just as unconvinced that anything actually has changed yet.

 

[CapelDodger]

Surprisingly you aren't getting it, Trump gets the credit no matter what evidence you need, your side will lose your critical working class vote again. And yes I know you aren't a citizen of this great country.

Trump and his following are claiming the credit, but this mine wasn't prepared for production overnight, or in the last few months. It must have been in the pipeline longer than that.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please present : I'd love to see it.

 

[NoahFence]

Lol

No one could ever compete with slave labor, we don't lose anything. And we will still come up with technology and China will still steal it. The only difference is our economy won't be strappped with rules that support a hoax.

Define the hoax. You know - with reality. Tough concept, that reality thing. But I'm sure you'll manage.

 

[logger]

Trump and his following are claiming the credit, but this mine wasn't prepared for production overnight, or in the last few months. It must have been in the pipeline longer than that.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please present : I'd love to see it.

I would guess it's a reopening? It's not a new mine, less regulation in the pipeline could spur risk in opening old mines.

 

[logger]

Define the hoax.

Edited by Agatha: 

Edited to remove a breach of rule 11

 

[skyeagle409]

How would there be a loss?

Because Trump has handed China the leadership role. Guess where Governor Brown of California is going?

 

[skyeagle409]

Yes, but Obama was just wasting time and having fun whereas Trump is busy making America great again while he is golfing.

I can tell from Trump's low approval ratings and the cracks that have begun to appear in his support base, and the mess he has created internationally, especially in regard to the recent mess he has made in regard to Qatar, and now due to that mess he has made against an ally, he now knows that the US has the largest military base in the nation that he trashed the other day. Ugly scene!

Also Obama was wasting money by mostly playing on courses on military bases - Trump plays on his own courses which as long as you discount the security, travel, green fee and other playing costs are much cheaper

Free advertising for Trump's properties at taxpayer's expense.

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[FenerFan]

Trump and his following are claiming the credit, but this mine wasn't prepared for production overnight, or in the last few months. It must have been in the pipeline longer than that.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please present : I'd love to see it.

Corsa Coal received a $3 million grant from the state’s Redevelopment Assistance Capital Program, money that was crucial to finish the $15 million development that spans 3,000 acres in Jenners Township. Though the plan received a mining permit in 2013, market conditions had prevented it from going forward, company officials said.

From this article from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

http://powersource.post-gazette.com/powersource/companies/2017/06/06/Westinghouse-bankruptcy-news-toshiba/stories/201706060033

Most of the coal from the Acosta Mine, Mr. Dethlefsen said, will not stay in Pennsylvania. About 85 percent of Corsa’s coal is shipped to steelmakers in India, Korea, Argentina, Europe and the Middle East. The rest is sold to steel producers in the Mon Valley, Ohio and Chicago, he said.

A rebound in the global steel market has been the central reason for optimism at Corsa Coal, which focuses on mining metallurgical coal for steel mills, Joe Bello, the company’s senior vice president, said in an interview.

To be fair, I'm happy for the workers and their families. However, pulling out of the Paris accord was a big mistake, IMO. It will hurt the U.S. in the long term.

 

[skyeagle409]

I would guess it's a reopening? It's not a new mine, less regulation in the pipeline could spur risk in opening old mines.

In case you missed it.

The death of US coal: industry on a steep decline as cheap natural gas rises

The US energy information administration last month released estimates showing coal production declining across the country by 29% in the first 10 weeks of 2016 compared with the same period last year.

The agency said it anticipates natural gas will overtake coal as the country’s biggest source of electricity this year – a projection that is expected to result in hundreds more layoffs in the coming months.

Meanwhile, the US coal industry’s efforts to find new markets in Asia and Europe have run into troubles. China is moving away from coal, and it is getting harder to get coal to the other big potential market in India.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/08/us-coal-industry-decline-natural-gas

Trump advocates something in the neighborhood of the steam engine making a comeback to compete with diesel-electric locomotives. Trump has no real vision for the future other than to take the United States back to the past.
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[CapelDodger]

To be fair, I'm happy for the workers and their families.

Seconded.

However, pulling out of the Paris accord was a big mistake, IMO. It will hurt the U.S. in the long term.

Pulling out of Paris happened in the swamp, came from the swamp, and may yet be confined to the swamp.

 

[logger]

Because Trump has handed China the leadership role. Guess where Governor Brown of California is going?

In leading the hoax?

Yeah that would be about right for China!

 

[logger]

However, pulling out of the Paris accord was a big mistake, IMO. It will hurt the U.S. in the long term.

Well, that's what I'd like to know? How is it going to hurt the US?