Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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MicahJava said:
I have no idea what you're talking about. That's not what I've been saying at all. The small head wound was most likely an entry from behind, and the large head wound was from either direction, it doesn't really matter once you have two head shots.



I would say if you "wanted badge man to be real", you never took this subject very seriously.
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Or more likely the large head wound was an exit wound from the bullet entering from the rear.

No "badge man" was a fools chase to a nonexistent shape in a shadow. It never was, further study with computers could not discern any man shape in the shadow, just another CT myth blown away with science.
 
MicahJava said:
Frankly, you all seem completely dumbfounded when confronted with the evidence and implications of the EOP wound. So no, you're not accelerating the process of convincing me of anything.
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You don't get it. Most of us just aren't interested in your inexpert ramblings about EOPs, cowlicks, scalp-stretching, spinning skulls, and other lurid preoccupations. Why should we pay attention to what you consider to be "evidence"? On the other hand, you might take this opportunity to learn something about facts, evidence, logic, and argumentation. But like other transient, autodidact CTs who have seagull-swooped this forum, you probably won't.
 
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MicahJava said:
Frankly, you all seem completely dumbfounded when confronted with the evidence and implications of the EOP wound. So no, you're not accelerating the process of convincing me of anything.
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You seem not to get that you are the one making the claims, and you are the one not convincing us.

And yes, I am dumbfounded that you keep supplying evidence for what is clearly and obviously discreting your own interpretation, then act as though your argument has weight.
 
Axxman300 said:
In other words, a second head shot...that nobody saw.
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Yeah, nobody said they saw two separate head shots. Gunshots to the head don't always look like the movies.

I will remind everyone that you have come to the conspiracy late in the game. In the 1970s the "documentary" The Men Who Killed Kennedy was all the rage, and Badge Man was a French assassin hired by the CIA/Maffia crew. We got ten years out of Badge Man until new skeptics arrived on the scene and tore it all apart with that dang logic and factual information stuff.

The same guys who put Badge Man to bed also buried the line of BS you have been shoveling with you "but what about the head wound" nonsense.:thumbsup:
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The EOP wound was the official story for several years. The full extent of this problem wasn't realized until the HSCA days, and even then it didn't seem to occur to anybody except maybe Cyril Wecht that a missile could possibly enter there without severely damaging the cerebellum.
 
OKBob said:
You don't get it. Most of us just aren't interested in your inexpert ramblings about EOPs, cowlicks, scalp-stretching, spinning skulls, and other lurid preoccupations. Why should we pay attention to what you consider to be "evidence"? On the other hand, you might take this opportunity to learn something about facts, evidence, logic, and argumentation. But like other transient, autodidact CTs who have seagull-swooped this forum, you probably won't.
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What's wrong with forensic evidence?
 
bknight said:
Or more likely the large head wound was an exit wound from the bullet entering from the rear.

No "badge man" was a fools chase to a nonexistent shape in a shadow. It never was, further study with computers could not discern any man shape in the shadow, just another CT myth blown away with science.
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My favorite piece of LN stupidity is when Bugliosi argued that Oswald buying a Coca-Cola on the second floor instead of a Dr. Pepper on the first floor was evidence of his guilt. Meanwhile, the real truth-seekers are wondering if such an encounter between Oswald and Officer Marrion Baker even really happened.
 
MicahJava said:
Yeah, nobody said they saw two separate head shots. Gunshots to the head don't always look like the movies.



The EOP wound was the official story for several years. The full extent of this problem wasn't realized until the HSCA days, and even then it didn't seem to occur to anybody except maybe Cyril Wecht that a missile could possibly enter there without severely damaging the cerebellum.
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Where did a second shot come from? Who fired it? What was the weapon used for it? Where did the bullet casings go? Who witnessed a second shooter? Where do we see this second head shot in the Z film?
 
MicahJava said:
Frankly, you all seem completely dumbfounded when confronted with the evidence and implications of the EOP wound. So no, you're not accelerating the process of convincing me of anything.
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When you get around to explaining why speculation after the fact about the head wound location trumps the hard evidence in hand please let us know.

Until then, pin-the-headwound on the drawing isn't even a good parlour game.
 
Axxman300 said:
It comes from the same idea which all of the CT originate: Oswald couldn't have done it alone.
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On the contrary, I am of the opinion that Oswald could only have done it alone. You start talking about this with others, and it gets around quickly, and the next thing you know, the whole thing is exposed.

The only way to pull it off is to be completely alone.
 
pgwenthold said:
On the contrary, I am of the opinion that Oswald could only have done it alone. You start talking about this with others, and it gets around quickly, and the next thing you know, the whole thing is exposed.

The only way to pull it off is to be completely alone.
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^Bingo^
 
MicahJava said:
My favorite piece of LN stupidity is when Bugliosi argued that Oswald buying a Coca-Cola on the second floor instead of a Dr. Pepper on the first floor was evidence of his guilt. Meanwhile, the real truth-seekers are wondering if such an encounter between Oswald and Officer Marrion Baker even really happened.
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You consider yourself a "real truth seeker"? Then you must ignore all the evidence of the autopsy and start winging your uneducated theories about what happened, because all of the investigators are ignoramuses or incompetent. The acoustic forensic evidence that was presented at the HSCA that led them to believe a second gunman was involved has been thoroughly debunked, there were not 4 shots fired. Sorry but the real truth seekers have the story, LHO shot 3 times hitting twice, plain and simple. No conspiracy just plain a nobody brought down the most powerful man in the world. Those that did the investigation may have made small errors along the way, most investigations have small errors, but the weight of evidence is against your ideas.

Additionally your link included several links to Jack White and his evidence. I might point out to you that Jack was thoroughly destroyed in his testimony at HSCA. I would not believe anything Jack thinks up, his work is so full of errors, he wouldn't know a measurement if it smacked him in the face.
 
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bknight said:
You consider yourself a "real truth seeker"? Then you must ignore all the evidence of the autopsy and start winging your uneducated theories about what happened, because all of the investigators are ignoramuses or incompetent...........
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Actually, my friend, I am the one supporting the autopsy's findings. If you disagree with the autopsy, have the gull the say it :D


Additionally your link included several links to Jack White and his evidence. I might point out to you that Jack was thoroughly destroyed in his testimony at HSCA. I would not believe anything Jack thinks up, his work is so full of errors, he wouldn't know a measurement if it smacked him in the face.
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Are you referring to the Associated Press newspaper clipping that Jack White had saved?
 
zooterkin said:
Nothing at all. Do you have some?
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Please consult the last thread, I gave endless evidence from the guys who did the autopsy, but nobody listened because they're stuck with the illusion of consensus on what Kennedy's X-rays and photographs show. Nobody who was there agrees with the Johnny-come-latelys pushing their "four inches higher" interpretation.
 
pgwenthold said:
On the contrary, I am of the opinion that Oswald could only have done it alone. You start talking about this with others, and it gets around quickly, and the next thing you know, the whole thing is exposed.

The only way to pull it off is to be completely alone.
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The autopsy's location of the entry wound on the back of the head is incompatible with a single gunshot to the head from the sixth floor of the TSBD.
 
MicahJava said:
Actually, my friend, I am the one supporting the autopsy's findings. If you disagree with the autopsy, have the gull the say it :D




Are you referring to the Associated Press newspaper clipping that Jack White had saved?
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No. You are misinterpreting the autopsy. Did you not suggest before there was something suspicious about the autopsy report being a third draft? Do you now accept those findings?
 
MicahJava said:
The autopsy's location of the entry wound on the back of the head is incompatible with a single gunshot to the head from the sixth floor of the TSBD.
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And yet you provide no better explanation for how the bullets from Oswalds Gun left their fragments, and why no evidence of other bullets exist.
 
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