Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[King of the Americas]

No it isn't. Because if it was, "London" would be evidence for Hogwarts. You yourself have added more elements to your reasoning in order to avoid the appearance of being wrong, namely that Plato didn't write fiction, which is patently false. The dialogues in his works are entirely fictional, and there is no evidence of Plato ever discussing Atlantis in a historical fashion, or even at all outside of these works.

You are making a claim with zero evidence.

IF, Plato 'invented' Atlantis...why the detailed descriptions? He wrote to teach and inform (links also provided) and from proven life lessons. To create a scenario based NOT in fact but instead in pure fiction would have undermined his authority.

I accuse you of "throwing shade on Plato"...incorrectly.

Plato said Atlantis was on a giant island in the Atlantis, where such an island cannot physically disappear. How do you explain that?

"Giant" in relation to the whole of the modern world of that day... To a toddler, I am freaking huge. Standing next to Shaq, less so. Plato's world did not include the Americas, an understand of the whole of Asia, Africa, the Pacific Ocean, or most of the 'World" you and I know about. We simply don't know how big "giant" was, and it certainly should be use to disqualify an entire existence.

(*I have several small penis jokes just laying here...)

Do you really believe that Google Earth proves anything? You have no idea how to conduct such an investigation. You have nothing.

Proof...?

Are there underwater ruins off the Spanish coast or not?

 

[Belz...]

IF, Plato 'invented' Atlantis...why the detailed descriptions?

Same reason Tolken made detailed descriptions of non-existent mountains and cities. Seriously, do you not know this?

He wrote to teach and inform (links also provided) and from proven life lessons.

Unsupported assertion.

Do you or do you not agree that the discussions in Plato's works were fictional? It's an easy question to answer.

To create a scenario based NOT in fact but instead in pure fiction would have undermined his authority.

Nonsense. "Brave New World" and "Nineteen Eighty Four" made political commentaries about the real world by constructing fictional future ones, and it didn't undermine the writers' authorities.

I accuse you of "throwing shade on Plato"...incorrectly.

I don't care. Plato can suck it.

"Giant" in relation to the whole of the modern world of that day... To a toddler, I am freaking huge. Standing next to Shaq, less so.

It was big. There is no such island in the Atlantic.

We simply don't know how big "giant" was, and it certainly should be use to disqualify an entire existence.

He actually told us how big it was, King. Perhaps you should read up before making claims about what Plato said.

Are there underwater ruins off the Spanish coast or not?

You can look at pixels and see anything you want to see. You need a close look if you want to actually find out. You have, of course, no intention of risking finding out the truth that way.

 

[King of the Americas]

What about them?

Well, if you listen to how Plato describes the city, you might understand why there is a connection to red and black volcanic stone, white too.

 

[King of the Americas]

NOT just 'pixels'-

 

[Belz...]

Well, if you listen to how Plato describes the city, you might understand why there is a connection to red and black volcanic stone, white too.

How about the fact that this sort of stone is common over there?

You've been told this before but in addressing "all" objections you seem to be missing quite a few of them.

 

[Belz...]

NOT just 'pixels'-

No but it's still just interpretation; you still can't tell me what those things are. Oh, look! Squarish things in the water.

So?

Wait. I thought Atlantis was round?

 

[fagin]

Well, if you listen to how Plato describes the city, you might understand why there is a connection to red and black volcanic stone, white too.

I tried, couldn't hear a thing. He must be dead.

 

[Pixel42]

There are submerged ruins off lots of bits of the coast of continental Europe, due to earthquakes and changing sea levels. I thought Atlantis was supposed to be a separate island miles out in the Atlantic, though, which surely makes them all irrelevant to that particular story.

 

[King of the Americas]

Same reason Tolken made detailed descriptions of non-existent mountains and cities. Seriously, do you not know this?

Homer too, eh?

Unsupported assertion.

Do you or do you not agree that the discussions in Plato's works were fictional? It's an easy question to answer.

Except that I attached a Phd's doctorate explaining the reason Plato wrote in the characters he did, and what his main purpose was in writing.

Plato was not a fictional writer in the spirit of Tolkien, George Lucas, or Rowling. He was a teacher who wrote to preserve and inform.

Nonsense. "Brave New World" and "Nineteen Eighty Four" made political commentaries about the real world by constructing fictional future ones, and it didn't undermine the writers' authorities.

Do you know why Socrates never wrote anything down?

Do you know why Plato chose TO do so?

If you don't then you will never full appreciate what Plato actually wrote...seriousy look into that.

I don't care. Plato can suck it.

Well, so long as we know where you stand, bias red-in-hand.

It was big. There is no such island in the Atlantic.

lol Did Plato know how 'big' the Atlantic was?

He actually told us how big it was, King. Perhaps you should read up before making claims about what Plato said.

"in relation to his known world"...

What you and I think of as "giant" is very different than what Plato thought.

You can look at pixels and see anything you want to see. You need a close look if you want to actually find out. You have, of course, no intention of risking finding out the truth that way.

Ummm, get your google earth on buddy. There are evidences you refuse to accept, if you'll only look to see.

 

[King of the Americas]

No but it's still just interpretation; you still can't tell me what those things are. Oh, look! Squarish things in the water.

So?

Wait. I thought Atlantis was round?

The outer walls were round. Rooms tend to be square or rectangle.

Those are underwater ruins.

Look closely.

 

[King of the Americas]

There are submerged ruins off lots of bits of the coast of continental Europe, due to earthquakes and changing sea levels. I thought Atlantis was supposed to be a separate island miles out in the Atlantic, though, which surely makes them all irrelevant to that particular story.

What we see are the edges of the submerged city likely further out.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

There are submerged ruins off lots of bits of the coast of continental Europe, due to earthquakes and changing sea levels. I thought Atlantis was supposed to be a separate island miles out in the Atlantic, though, which surely makes them all irrelevant to that particular story.

No, no, you don't understand... Plato's description has to be taken literally and as factual... Until it doesn't.

 

[King of the Americas]

I tried, couldn't hear a thing. He must be dead.

They are called 'dialogues'...but you can read them today.

I prefer to listen to them on youtube, professor lectures, or refer to peer reviewed publications.

 

[Pixel42]

What we see are the edges of the submerged city likely further out.

What we see are submerged ruins close to shore, which is exactly what we'd expect to see if they are the remains of shoreline settlements lost to earthquakes and rising sea levels. Show me evidence that they extend miles out (beyond the continental shelf, presumably) and I'll start to take the claim that they could be related to Plato's story seriously.

 

[Belz...]

Do you know why Socrates never wrote anything down?

Do you know why Plato chose TO do so?

If you don't then you will never full appreciate what Plato actually wrote...seriousy look into that.

Stop playing games. Address what I told you.

Well, so long as we know where you stand, bias red-in-hand.

You just don't get it, do you? It has nothing to do with Plato's character but the claim itself. In context, the claim was part of a fictional conversation. What part of that is so hard for you to understand?

lol Did Plato know how 'big' the Atlantic was?

He wrote exactly how big it was.

Ummm, get your google earth on buddy. There are evidences you refuse to accept, if you'll only look to see.

That is not an answer, but a repetition of your claim. Just showing me a picture of, purportedly, sunken ruins, does not mean that they are from Atlantis.

 

[Belz...]

The outer walls were round. Rooms tend to be square or rectangle.

Those are underwater ruins.

Look closely.

I am. Those pictures are not from the Atlantic ocean.

 

[King of the Americas]

Yes, that's a good example of an ad-hom. Arguments and evidence stand on their own.

Ahh, No. They don't. Science employs a peer-review process wherein letters matter.

What argument(s) or evidence are you employing, exactly?

 

[King of the Americas]

No, no, you don't understand... Plato's description has to be taken literally and as factual... Until it doesn't.

So, how 'close' does Homer's description match what was found?

 

[King of the Americas]

What we see are submerged ruins close to shore, which is exactly what we'd expect to see if they are the remains of shoreline settlements lost to earthquakes and rising sea levels. Show me evidence that they extend miles out (beyond the continental shelf, presumably) and I'll start to take the claim that they could be related to Plato's story seriously.

Atlantis sunk due to earthquakes and rising sea levels.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Homer too, eh?

Yes, Homer too.
Unless you can point us to the thick brass walls that surround the isle of the Wind God.
Or tell us on which junkie-infested island the narcotic lotos was harvested. Or where the autonomously moving, clashing rocks of the Symplegades can be found.

The fact that he used real world locations in his stories does not mean that all locations in his stories are real.

lol Did Plato know how 'big' the Atlantic was?



"in relation to his known world"...

What you and I think of as "giant" is very different than what Plato thought.

Keep digging...
He claimed it was bigger than Asia and Libya combined. That's not modern day Asia and Libya, but it means Anatolia and Northern Africa. So... quite specific, and huge.