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acbytesla said:
That's going to be subpoenaed. Unless I misunderstand the law. This seems like a slam dunk for obstruction. It's not even close. (Not that he will be impeached) Am I wrong? How?
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You still need the Republican congress to impeach him. Good luck. :(

TraneWreck said:
Doesn't mean he isn't an idiot. He's the Forrest Gump of presidents...if you subtract the well-meaning naivete and replace it with an all-consuming narcissism driven by the hunger of a thousand collapsed stars.
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That's the best thing I've read all week. I'd nominate it if we had a thread for best burn.
 
theprestige said:
And yet here you are.
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And we've got all you Oh I Didn't Vote For Him Apologista Enablers to keep us company.

Or have you not noticed your multiple posts attempting to shame people into ignoring the big turdblossom's misdeeds so he can get along with *********** over the country.
 
Posts referring to DNA have been consigned to the fiery flames. If any participant wants to discuss race, genetics or Ancestry/23&Me results they are more than welcome to do so in a thread where such a discussion would be on topic. For the avoidance of doubt, that is not this thread.
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Trump adviser corroborates Comey's memo: It matches Trump's language and arguments, in private, about Flynn.

Trump has grown obsessed with defending the tough-talking 58-year old general, repeatedly telling aides and associates in private that Flynn was a “good man.” One adviser close to Trump said he’s heard Trump defend the general using the exact words described in reports of memos written by former FBI director James Comey recording his conversations with the president — and that Trump has told people inside the White House he wished the investigation would go away.

It has left White House officials and outside advisers perplexed: Why is Trump so determined to defend a man at the center of a federal investigation that is damaging his administration, and a man he has accused of lying to his vice president?

Officials say Trump has remained resolute in defending Flynn even though aides, including White House Counsel Don McGahn, have reminded Trump of the Russia investigation and other problems. News reports about Flynn, including his lobbying for foreign governments, haven’t bothered Trump nearly as much as they’ve bothered his aides, senior officials said. News of subpoenas haven’t caused him to lose faith, even privately, associates said.
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If there's good thing that came out of this, it's a new political term I actually like:

Comey memo.

Comeymemo, Comeymemo, Comeymemo.

It just rolls off the lips so pleasantly.
 
acbytesla said:
That's going to be subpoenaed. Unless I misunderstand the law. This seems like a slam dunk for obstruction. It's not even close. (Not that he will be impeached) Am I wrong? How?
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All executive power in this country flows through the president. If he thinks an investigation is a bad use of resources and a ridiculous waste of time, he is elected to exercise the take care clause and stop it.
 
BobTheCoward said:
All executive power in this country flows through the president. If he thinks an investigation is a bad use of resources and a ridiculous waste of time, he is elected to exercise the take care clause and stop it.
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Provide a citation. There is a system of checks and balances. The President doesn't have unlimited powers nor should he. Someone seems to have forgotten Watergate.
 
acbytesla said:
Provide a citation. There is a system of checks and balances. The President doesn't have unlimited powers nor should he. Someone seems to have forgotten Watergate.
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Nothing to cite. Original thought.

Watergate? Impeachment is a political act. Whether a president committed obstruction is irrelevant to Congress impeaching a president over obstruction.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Nothing to cite. Original thought.

Watergate? Impeachment is a political act. Whether a president committed obstruction is irrelevant to Congress impeaching a president over obstruction.
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Yes Impeachment is a political action. Nevertheless the evidence that I've heard leads me to strongly believe that Trump committed the crime of obstruction

But you are right, I don't expect Congress will impeach Trump unless he loses more support among voters. And then, they would drop him like a hot potato. They will look out for themselves not Nixon. I mean Trump.

Whether that day ever comes remains unknown. Trump has managed to act like an idiot for pretty much his whole life and still survived so anyone thinking they know the outcome if full of it. Don't forget Trump has bragged that he could shoot someone in broad daylight and his people would continue to support him. But Congress isn't his people.

Trump is like a cockroach . He's a filthy creature that is likely to survive a nuclear winter. But the again, so are the Congressional Republicans.
 
acbytesla said:
Yes Impeachment is a political action. Nevertheless the evidence that I've heard leads me to strongly believe that Trump committed the crime of obstruction
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The president as the executive has a responsibility to ensure the DoJ and FBI are not engaging in witch hunts against American citizens.

Sometimes, those witch hunts will be directed at the executive.

How do you tell the difference between a president thinking it is a witch Hunt and thinking they are trying to protect their own guilty behavior?
 
BobTheCoward said:
The president as the executive has a responsibility to ensure the DoJ and FBI are not engaging in witch hunts against American citizens.

Sometimes, those witch hunts will be directed at the executive.

How do you tell the difference between a president thinking it is a witch Hunt and thinking they are trying to protect their own guilty behavior?
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That's what recusal is all about.
 
acbytesla said:
Trump is like a cockroach . He's a filthy creature that is likely to survive a nuclear winter. But the again, so are the Congressional Republicans.
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The "Resistance" is much larger and more intense than the Tea Party was in 2010. The Republican gerrymandering creates lots of districts with small Republican majorities. Whether the HMS Trumptanic hits an iceberg or just continues sinking slowly from leaks, lots of districts will definitely come into play if this Congress insists on pushing unpopular legislation. The campaign ads write themselves, and Democrats are going to have plenty of money to run them.
 
BobTheCoward said:
And after doing that the president decides the independent parties are not acting responsibly?
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If there is evidence that appears to be incriminating, then he will be overstepping his authority and wandering into obstruction territory.
 
WilliamSeger said:
The "Resistance" is much larger and more intense than the Tea Party was in 2010. The Republican gerrymandering creates lots of districts with small Republican majorities. Whether the HMS Trumptanic hits an iceberg or just continues sinking slowly from leaks, lots of districts will definitely come into play if this Congress insists on pushing unpopular legislation. The campaign ads write themselves, and Democrats are going to have plenty of money to run them.
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I can't help comparing this to previous impeachment proceedings. Clinton's support among the electorate actually grew as a result of the Impeachment. He was NEVER really endanger of being convicted by the Senate. Nixon OTOH saw a steady erosion of support and then Trump Nixon received a late night visit from Republican members of Congress telling him to resign or be impeached and removed. Those Republicans didn’t put the screws to Nixon because they hated Nixon, they did it because they were looking at a Midterm wipe out unless they did something. They still suffered significant losses.
 
Tony Stark said:
Yeah. He was answering the questions that were asked of him.
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Any lawyer with a non-zero pulse will tell his/her client to answer questions but not to volunteer information, not to embellish and not to express opinions unless specifically asked for an opinion. Comey, being an experienced legal shark, gave that advice to himself and then obeyed himself.
 
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