JFK Conspiracy Theories IV: The One With The Whales

[RoboTimbo]

It was not memories, he made this statement on 11-23-1963 after looking at his records. The Commission had the ability to subpoena the records, they chose not to do so. The President was bound by oath and was eligible for perjury if he provided false testimony/affidavit. The number on the 40.2" is not proven to be a serial number, the C2766 is associated with the 36" rifle with many cross references.

Show your proof that the C2766 on the 40.2" rifle is a serial number.

By the way, with the sworn testimony, that becomes evidence and it becomes verifiable when required to provide it... the Commission must have believed him as they did not drag him into to court for perjury and they did not ask him for the documentation.

We have the actual rifle with that unique serial number. Do you have the 36" MC with that serial number to show? A picture of it? Anything to back up your claims?

 

[No Other]

Oh, I thought when you said there was paperwork showing it, that there would be paperwork showing it. Now you're saying you were in error.

don't get cute, the President said he had paperwork... I take it you did not read his testimony. I said there was paperwork because he said... what did you not understand?

LOL. Thank you for admitting it's the same number.

LOL? great response.

We have the actual gun. What is it you have again?

Documentation... prove that your serial number is the real one. I have shown through the President of Crescent that the C2766 is attached to a 36" rifle... what do you have?

Of course you do. You have the CT opinion.

funny you're a funny guy

No, you need to answer it. How did a 36" MC barrel get stretched to make it a 40" MC barrel?

You have no proof, no evidence, you have absolutely nothing that traces back to any level of distribution that a 40.2" rifle was sold with the C2766 serial number.

What was the WC testimony concerning duplicate seriial numbers?

do you know?

 

[No Other]

We have the actual rifle with that unique serial number. Do you have the 36" MC with that serial number to show? A picture of it? Anything to back up your claims?

No, you have a rifle with a C2766 imprinted on it; show me where the 40.2" was sold with that serial number... you can't and now you throw meaningless and superfluous questions and scenarios.

 

[bknight]

1. There is paperwork that shows Crescent shipped and delivered to Klein's a 36" rifle with the serial number C2766 June 18, 1962.
2. Klein's shows shipping a C20-T750 (the advertised item number from the coupon that Hidell ordered) to Hidell in March '62.
3. Klein's did not advertise the 40.2" MC until April '63. There was no advertisement from Oct '62 through March '63
4. A 40.2" rifle with C2766 was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD.
5. There is no record of a 40.2" rifle being shipped by either Crescent or Klein's with a serial number C2766.

You avoided answering the question that was asked, but why would I expect anything else.

 

[abaddon]

The company that shipped it says differently, so now you want to contest direct testimony/affidavit when even the WC elected not to challenge him? I guess you have knowledge that the WC did not posses... then what is that knowledge?

What is that knowledge? That would be the Warren Commission.

Which shipping company do you speak of and where is the evidence?

1963

Sloppy.

This has nothing to do with the 36" and 40.2" issue, receipts show that Klein's received stock of the 36" into February 1963.

Do they? Demonstrate that.

Please show all the paperwork.

Why? It's in the WC for you to read. Have you not done so?

Oh well, start in Italy. In 1960, the rifles were packed 10 to a crate by a Crescent representative under Italian supervision. (WC exhibit C10(K1)), in crates numbered 3305 to 3436. C2766 was the third rifle in the crate numbered 3376

C2766 was listed as the third rifle in on of those crates.

They were shipped aboard Elettra Fassio (WC exhibit D 174) to Adam Consolidated Industries in New York. Adam Industries checked them into a bonded warehouse. (WC exhibit D 175).

Following along so far?

 

[No Other]

I love this type of arguing, it is so elementary. It reminds me of Spinal Tap. When Nigel is explaining that their amp goes to 11 when all the others go to 10. He is so thrilled and feels that his is the loudest thinking the number 11 proved that his is superior.

Just because you have an object that has a series of numbers on it regardless of the fact that it cannot be traced back to anything other than inferences, you feel that trumps sworn testimony. That is laughable.

Why didn't the WC ask for the paperwork from Crescent?

Why do you feel it is important when they did not?

Oh, I know why... because it does not fit your narrative and therefore you will not respond with anything outside of "we have the rifle" and insults. Yet, you have no way of authenticating the serial number. I must say the amount of people that line up against me is impressive since you don't call out each other on your mistakes but each one of you attempts to derail everything I put out. Amazing

Hey, I got one for you... if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear, does it make a noise?

 

[HSienzant]

I can provide the sworn testimony of the President of Crescent that says he has paperwork which reflects. It is a shame that the WC did not ask for the paperwork or have Feldsott testify, you need to ask the Commission why they felt it was unnecessary to see it.

Hilarious. You're apparently not aware of certain facts. Let me point them out to you:

(a) The Commission disbanded after they issued their report in September of 1964. That was 53 years ago.

(b) All seven of the Commissioners and most of the Junior Counsel (who at the time were mostly in their late 20's or early 30's) are now deceased). Even if the Commission had not officially disbanded and ceased all functioning, there are no Commissiones to ask anything.

(c) You make a claim, it's up to you to prove it. You don't get to shift the burden of proof and ask us to disprove it. And that's what you're doing when you say we need to ask the Commission anything. We don't. You need to cite the evidence establishing your claims are true. Thus far, you've made allegations. You've cited no evidence. Show us the links.

(d) You allege something or other with 36" rifles -- apparently you are no longer talking about Oswald's order form any longer, but about something else entirely -- it's on you to prove it, and establish how it overturns the known evidence, like Oswald's prints on a 40.2" rifle with the serial number C2766.

(e) When we track your supposed proof back, we'll no doubt find you were assuming what you needed to prove there to0, just as we saw with how you treated the Klein's paperwork.

Hank

 

[abaddon]

Why didn't the WC ask for the paperwork from Crescent?

They did and he handed it over and it was included in the WCR.

Your problem is?

 

[RoboTimbo]

No, you have a rifle with a C2766 imprinted on it; show me where the 40.2" was sold with that serial number... you can't and now you throw meaningless and superfluous questions and scenarios.

Thank you for your admission that the 40" MC had serial #C2766. What was the WC testimony regarding duplicate serial #'s?

 

[No Other]

What is that knowledge? That would be the Warren Commission.

Which shipping company do you speak of and where is the evidence?

Sloppy.

Do they? Demonstrate that.


Why? It's in the WC for you to read. Have you not done so?

Oh well, start in Italy. In 1960, the rifles were packed 10 to a crate by a Crescent representative under Italian supervision. (WC exhibit C10(K1)), in crates numbered 3305 to 3436. C2766 was the third rifle in the crate numbered 3376

C2766 was listed as the third rifle in on of those crates.

They were shipped aboard Elettra Fassio (WC exhibit D 174) to Adam Consolidated Industries in New York. Adam Industries checked them into a bonded warehouse. (WC exhibit D 175).

Following along so far?

Following close enough that you are describing the shipment that arrived in February of '63 which is completely bogus if you think that was a shipment of 36' rifles. It is proven well beyond a shadow of doubt that the shipment was 36" rifles. The weight of the shipment of 100 rifles was 750lbs; each 40.2" rifle weighed 8 pounds... just through simple mathematics (and I gotta keep it simple) is that this shipment is too light for the 8 pound rifles... this isn't including the wooden cases which are at a minimum of 16 pounds and could go up to 20 pounds when empty. Is that the shipment you referred to? Maybe I wasn't following because I am too stupid.

 

[HSienzant]

It is only the same when the ad for the 40.2" ran, the 40.2" ad did not run when LHO/Hidll ordered the rifle, the only rifle available for the C20-T750 was the 36"... this is a fact.

Ah. Previously you were pretending Oswald and Hidell were separate persons, claiming Hidell ordered and paid for the rifle after I said Oswald did that. Now you're apparently conceding Oswald & Hidell are actually the same person, as you claim "Oswald/Hidell' ordered the rifle.

That's real progress by you.

But you are wrong to say that the 40" rifle wasn't being advertised when Oswald ordered the rifle. You have not shown that. I have shown that the April edition of American Rifleman contained the advertisement for the 40" rifle. That April edition hits the newsstands in March -- magazines and other periodicals are pre-dated. Go check a newsstand. We'll wait.

Oswald ordered the rifle on March 13th and it was shipped on March 20th. You have claimed, but certainly not established (nor even tried to establish) that the 40" rifle wasn't being advertised (or sold & shipped) when Klein's shipped the C2766 to Oswald's PO box.

Go ahead, cite the evidence that shows the rifle advertised in March wasn't the 40" rifle. We'll wait.

Hank

 

[abaddon]

Following close enough that you are describing the shipment that arrived in February of '63 which is completely bogus if you think that was a shipment of 36' rifles. It is proven well beyond a shadow of doubt that the shipment was 36" rifles. The weight of the shipment of 100 rifles was 750lbs; each 40.2" rifle weighed 8 pounds... just through simple mathematics (and I gotta keep it simple) is that this shipment is too light for the 8 pound rifles... this isn't including the wooden cases which are at a minimum of 16 pounds and could go up to 20 pounds when empty. Is that the shipment you referred to? Maybe I wasn't following because I am too stupid.

Red herring. I am simply following the paper trail of the rifle bearing serial number C2766 from Italy. Do you concede that such a rifle is documented as reaching Adam Industries in New york from Genoa, Italy?

 

[No Other]

Red herring. I am simply following the paper trail of the rifle bearing serial number C2766 from Italy. Do you concede that such a rifle is documented as reaching Adam Industries in New york from Genoa, Italy?

not a red herring, tell us when Klein's received it.

 

[RoboTimbo]

not a red herring, tell us when Klein's received it.

According to William Walden, VP of Klein's, it was received Feb 21, 1963 from Crescent bearing serial #C2766. As you've admitted, that is the serial number on Oswald's 40" MC rifle. Thank you for that admission.

 

[abaddon]

not a red herring, tell us when Klein's received it.

13 Feb 1963. As documented.

Your problem is that the paper trail you claim does not exist actually does exist and is included in the WCR despite your claims that it is not.

Answer the question. Do you concede that the paper trail shows that the rifle bearing the serial C2766 arrived in New York in 1960.

 

[No Other]

Ah. Previously you were pretending Oswald and Hidell were separate persons, claiming Hidell ordered and paid for the rifle after I said Oswald did that. Now you're apparently conceding Oswald & Hidell are actually the same person, as you claim "Oswald/Hidell' ordered the rifle.

That's real progress by you.

But you are wrong to say that the 40" rifle wasn't being advertised when Oswald ordered the rifle. You have not shown that. I have shown that the April edition of American Rifleman contained the advertisement for the 40" rifle. That April edition hits the newsstands in March -- magazines and other periodicals are pre-dated. Go check a newsstand. We'll wait.

You have never shown that LHO/Hidell received the rifle that was found in the TSBD, you can say all you want and get your little minions to line up but the facts are facts and you and others saying the opposite does not change history.

Oswald ordered the rifle on March 13th and it was shipped on March 20th. You have claimed, but certainly not established (nor even tried to establish) that the 40" rifle wasn't being advertised (or sold & shipped) when Klein's shipped the C2766 to Oswald's PO box.

why?

Go ahead, cite the evidence that shows the rifle advertised in March wasn't the 40" rifle. We'll wait.

in March? You mean the April issue? See Hank, you use flimsy pretzel logic by calling it March and not the April issue. Since you made the claim the ad came out in March... when did the March issue get released? Provide an exact date... I'll wait.

 

[abaddon]

According to William Walden, VP of Klein's, it was receied Feb 21, 1963 from Crescent bearing serial #C2766. As you've admitted, that is the serial number on Oswald's 40" MC rifle. Thank you for that admission.

Slight correction. Delivered 13th Feb, booked into stock 21/22 Feb by Mitchell Scibor.

 

[RoboTimbo]

No, you have a rifle with a C2766 imprinted on it; show me where the 40.2" was sold with that serial number... you can't and now you throw meaningless and superfluous questions and scenarios.

What did the Italian Intelligence services determine about that being the only rifle of its type with that serial number?

Do you have inside information that they were incorrect? What is the source of your information to cause you to claim that more than one rifle did have that unique serial number?

 

[abaddon]

You have never shown that LHO/Hidell received the rifle that was found in the TSBD, you can say all you want and get your little minions to line up but the facts are facts and you and others saying the opposite does not change history.

Oh, I will get to that. So far, you cannot bear to admit that C2766 even arrived in New York for some reason even though it is documented.

Why is that?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Slight correction. Delivered 13th Feb, booked into stock 21/22 Feb by Mitchell Scibor.

Oops, I missed that. Where did you find it? I was looking at Chapter 4 page 119 of the WCR.