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JFK Conspiracy Theories IV: The One With The Whales

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Tomtomkent said:
Nope. You are declaring a need for a burden of proof, and ignoring the Null.

In this case the Null is that the evidence as presented in the WC is correct, and their conclusions are accurate. You are the one making the affirmative case that their findings are inaccurate and the rifle shipped is not the murder weapon.
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I am not saying this; all the proof is in the WC testimony.

This is why you have not convinced me you have a point. You are avoiding the responsibility for placing your contention into context, you are avoiding describing any implications of the change, and you are avoiding showing how it makes a viable difference to the narrative.
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I have stated facts and only facts; others are claiming assumptions. Nobody, including you, have shown that Klein's shipped a 40.2" rifle to Hidell.

I see no reason to reverse the burden of proof this late in a conversation that has been going for several threads now.
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This is because you cannot provide anything counter to the facts.
 
No Other said:
For shipping purposes, a packing slip showing a 40.2" rifle was sent to the PO Box. For picking it up, the Post Office will have a consent form that shows that Hidell is allowed to pick up product from the PO Box 2915.
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Did Klein measure everyone of the rifles that it received from distributors? Did Klein measure every rifle shipped? Or more likely did Klein inventory on the serial numbers? That a different length rifle was shipped probably is not the fault of a shipping clerk, but of inventory information that was entered in error/shipped entry error of inventory. Nothing suspicious here except to a CT advocate.
 
No Other said:
I am not saying this; all the proof is in the WC testimony.
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No. Evidence is in the testimony. There is no proof.

No Other said:
I have stated facts and only facts; others are claiming assumptions. Nobody, including you, have shown that Klein's shipped a 40.2" rifle to Hidell.
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And you have not supplied evidence that the rifle in evidence is not the rifle shipped. You have offered no evidence more compelling than the serial numbers.

No Other said:
This is because you cannot provide anything counter to the facts.
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No. This is because the burden of proof is not on the null.

If you wish to convince others of your point, you should probably listen to them when they tell you what will be required to convince them.
 
CORed said:
I think it's extremely unlikely that the same serial number was used for two different weapons made by the same manufacturer with different barrel lengths. Since the serial number on the murder weapon matches the serial number sent by Klein's, my conclusion is that they listed the barrel length incorrectly.

You have nothing. Give it up.
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This is nothing but an assumption and you are not dealing with facts. Below is a link to the internal at Kleins, it shows the model number and that refers to a 36" rifle and the serial number of C2766.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j2O-kIQp5...AAxSI/G97X3C5lxOI/s1600/Waldman-Exhibit-7.jpg

Now show me a form from Kleins that shows a 40.2" rifle was shipped to PO Box 2915.
 
bknight said:
Did Klein measure everyone of the rifles that it received from distributors? Did Klein measure every rifle shipped? Or more likely did Klein inventory on the serial numbers? That a different length rifle was shipped probably is not the fault of a shipping clerk, but of inventory information that was entered in error/shipped entry error of inventory. Nothing suspicious here except to a CT advocate.
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Or relevant.

If the contention is that there is another rifle with those serial numbers, there is no relevance unless the second rifle is provided, and it can be shown to change the outcome of the narrative.
 
No Other said:
This is nothing but an assumption and you are not dealing with facts. Below is a link to the internal at Kleins, it shows the model number and that refers to a 36" rifle and the serial number of C2766.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j2O-kIQp5...AAxSI/G97X3C5lxOI/s1600/Waldman-Exhibit-7.jpg

Now show me a form from Kleins that shows a 40.2" rifle was shipped to PO Box 2915.
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Will you please address the fact of both rifles having the same serial number, and explaining it in a more convincing theory.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Will you please address the fact of both rifles having the same serial number, and explaining it in a more convincing theory.
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The burden of proof is on you NOT me. The facts show a 36" rifle had the serial number C2766; you are required to show how that serial number got on the 40.2" rifle as this theory is counter to the facts. Plain and simple.
 
No Other said:
No I don't, I am not the one making the claim that the murder was shipped by Kleins... you are.
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I will assume you meant "murder weapon"

But you are making the affirmative statement ANOTHER rifle was shipped out with the same number. As such you should be able to support your supposition by showing a better explanation for the identical numbers, than the rifle in evidence being the rifle shipped.

Do you have a better explanation?
 
bknight said:
Did Klein measure everyone of the rifles that it received from distributors? Did Klein measure every rifle shipped? Or more likely did Klein inventory on the serial numbers? That a different length rifle was shipped probably is not the fault of a shipping clerk, but of inventory information that was entered in error/shipped entry error of inventory. Nothing suspicious here except to a CT advocate.
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This is laughable and if you believe what you just stated; then you need to accept (without questioning) any response from someone who disagrees with you especially if it is not backed up with documentation and only speculation. Your speculation does not trump the known facts.
 
No Other said:
Why would I care; I am not the one making the claim that the serial number on the 36" should be on the 40.2" rifle.
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Oh sorry, based on your extreme concern shown for two rifles having the same serial #, I thought you actually did care. But you don't really?
 
No Other said:
This is laughable and if you believe what you just stated; then you need to accept (without questioning) any response from someone who disagrees with you especially if it is not backed up with documentation and only speculation. Your speculation does not trump the known facts.
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What happened to the 36" MC serial #C2766?
 
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