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JFK Conspiracy Theories IV: The One With The Whales

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No Other said:
Is this your way of saying you do not have proof that the weapon LHO is holding is not the murder weapon?

You can stick to anything you care to stick to but if you want to stick to facts, it is best to show your proof. You have failed to do this...
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Are you claiming that a 36" MC existed with serial #C2766?
 
Tomtomkent said:
And why do companies use such serial numbers?
Given this is also the number on the rifle in evidence, what do you think we can reasonably conclude from this, until you provide evidence of another rifle with that unique serial number?
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... and this serial number is associated with a 36" rifle; you need to show how this serial number got on a 40.2" rifle. Klein's records show the serial number belongs to a 36" rifle.
 
No Other said:
Is this your way of saying you do not have proof that the weapon LHO is holding is not the murder weapon?

You can stick to anything you care to stick to but if you want to stick to facts, it is best to show your proof. You have failed to do this...
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Pointless anomaly hunting at it's finest. LHO's fingerprints were on the weapon which fired the bullets that killed JFK, and the serial number matched the serial number of the weapon that was sent to LHO. The barrel length is whatever it is.
 
CORed said:
Pointless anomaly hunting at it's finest. LHO's fingerprints were on the weapon which fired the bullets that killed JFK, and the serial number matched the serial number of the weapon that was sent to LHO. The barrel length is whatever it is.
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Only in your mind does it not matter. The barrel length determines what catalogue number was sent and the catalogue number is for a 36" rifle; a 40.2 " rifle was found at the TSBD, therefore the rifle that Hidell ordered WAS NOT used in the assassination. "The barrel length is whatever it is"... makes no sense as the serial number is associated with the entire product not just a portion of it.
 
No Other said:
It is not my burden to prove anything of that nature. All paperwork shows a 36" was shipped, others claim a 40.2" was shipped INSTEAD of the 36". It is up to the people who take the counter position from what is established to prove they are correct. Just show us the paperwork that shows a 40.2" rifle was shipped.
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Then thank you for positing an interesting theory, but as you can not meet a full burden of proof, and are unwilling to suggest how this fits into a bigger picture, I can not be convinced by your posts.

That the rifle in evidence is the only rifle with those tracking numbers, was the rifle shipped by Klein, and was used by LHO to murder JFK is the theory that best fits the evidence.

If you ever find suitable evidence to answer the questions raised by your critics, please let me know.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Even if it could be proved that Klein sent a 36" rifle, the burden of proof would be to show there was another rifle with those trackable numbers.
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You are spot on, since the C2766 is with the 36" rifle, those who feel the C2766 is associated with the 40.2" rifle need to show proof that Klein's shipped it.

LHO would still have owned the murder weapon show proof.
LHO still posed for photographs with his pair of murder weapons show proof the posed weapon was the murder weapon.
His prints still implicate him in the crime.the prints show that he handled the rifle
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Also, if the implication here is supposed to be that LHO was framed (the only reason I can see this is point worth defending) it raises a whole set of new burdens of proof:

Why LHO posed with that rifle (or why his rifle grew a few inches in one set of photos).
How it got into his workplace.
Why it was stamped with the same numbers as his rifle.
Who would be able to access those numbers, to make them look like his rifle.
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What needs to be proven before someone goes down this proposed rabbit hole; is to establish that Klein's shipped the 40.2" rifle with the serial number C2766.
 
No Other said:
Only in your mind does it not matter. The barrel length determines what catalogue number was sent and the catalogue number is for a 36" rifle; a 40.2 " rifle was found at the TSBD, therefore the rifle that Hidell ordered WAS NOT used in the assassination. "The barrel length is whatever it is"... makes no sense as the serial number is associated with the entire product not just a portion of it.
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I think you've made a decent case that Klien's records had some errors. That the rifle found in the SBD was not the one that Oswald bought from Klein's? Not so much.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Then thank you for positing an interesting theory, but as you can not meet a full burden of proof, and are unwilling to suggest how this fits into a bigger picture, I can not be convinced by your posts.

That the rifle in evidence is the only rifle with those tracking numbers, was the rifle shipped by Klein, and was used by LHO to murder JFK is the theory that best fits the evidence.

If you ever find suitable evidence to answer the questions raised by your critics, please let me know.
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Your declaration does not pass any common sense test; you have thrown your hands up and declared that what you (but cannot prove that a 40.2" rifle was shipped by Klein's to PO Box 2915) think is correct.

It doesn't matter what you proclaim if you cannot back up your claim; I have shown that the order form shows a 36" rifle and not a 40.2 " rifle.
 
No Other said:
You are spot on, since the C2766 is with the 36" rifle, those who feel the C2766 is associated with the 40.2" rifle need to show proof that Klein's shipped it.



What needs to be proven before someone goes down this proposed rabbit hole; is to establish that Klein's shipped the 40.2" rifle with the serial number C2766.
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Where is the 36" MC with serial #C2766?
 
CORed said:
I think you've made a decent case that Klien's records had some errors. That the rifle found in the SBD was not the one that Oswald bought from Klein's? Not so much.
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Great assumption!

Klein's had the opportunity to declare a mistake was made... they never did, they never said a substitute was provided. No where in any testimony does it show a 40.2" rifle was sent to Hidell. If there is... please show it.
 
No Other said:
Great assumption!

Klein's had the opportunity to declare a mistake was made... they never did, they never said a substitute was provided. No where in any testimony does it show a 40.2" rifle was sent to Hidell. If there is... please show it.
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Are there any photos of a 36" MC with serial #C2766 available?
 
No Other said:
You are spot on, since the C2766 is with the 36" rifle, those who feel the C2766 is associated with the 40.2" rifle need to show proof that Klein's shipped it.



What needs to be proven before someone goes down this proposed rabbit hole; is to establish that Klein's shipped the 40.2" rifle with the serial number C2766.
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Nope. You are declaring a need for a burden of proof, and ignoring the Null.

In this case the Null is that the evidence as presented in the WC is correct, and their conclusions are accurate. You are the one making the affirmative case that their findings are inaccurate and the rifle shipped is not the murder weapon.

This is why you have not convinced me you have a point. You are avoiding the responsibility for placing your contention into context, you are avoiding describing any implications of the change, and you are avoiding showing how it makes a viable difference to the narrative.

I see no reason to reverse the burden of proof this late in a conversation that has been going for several threads now.
 
No Other said:
Your declaration does not pass any common sense test; you have thrown your hands up and declared that what you (but cannot prove that a 40.2" rifle was shipped by Klein's to PO Box 2915) think is correct.

It doesn't matter what you proclaim if you cannot back up your claim; I have shown that the order form shows a 36" rifle and not a 40.2 " rifle.
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I think it's extremely unlikely that the same serial number was used for two different weapons made by the same manufacturer with different barrel lengths. Since the serial number on the murder weapon matches the serial number sent by Klein's, my conclusion is that they listed the barrel length incorrectly.

You have nothing. Give it up.
 
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