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JFK Conspiracy Theories IV: The One With The Whales

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Tomtomkent said:
Why would they have measured it?
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Because it would be a different catalogue number; these are two different products.
They were shipping one model to an order number
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Correct and that model number referenced a 36" rifle
Oswald ordered from an old advert
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No he didn't... he ordered from a current offer.
their records show they were shipped a model from a longer batch. Why would they measure it?
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Their records do not show this.
They would note the model, and if asked would find paperwork to show it was of a model with a 40.2 inch specification. There would be no need to measure individual rifles.
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they need to show it is a 40.2 " rifle that was shipped because the paperwork reflects a 36"model being shipped.

And what difference, in practical terms does it make?
You can't say "AHA! There is no evidence this rifle was ever in Oswald's hands, and was not his!" because obviously, there are still his finger prints, his palm prints, and those photographs he had taken of himself holding the murder weapon.
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Who said this was never in his hands? The photographs show LHO holding a rifle, provide the information that shows it is the same rifle found at the TSBD.

At best, you can prove he owned a shorter rifle, AS WELL.
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How do you do that?
 
pgwenthold said:
Other than Waldman's testimony, what would you accept?



What's missing? The rifle with serial number c2766 was shipped to Oswald's PO Box. It says it right there in the testimony. A photograph of the record referred to is in the Warren report, isn't it, Hank?
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This is getting old... just show me where a 40.2" rifle was sent to the PO Box 2915; I am not asking for a rifle with the serial number C2766. The key is 40.2" not the serial number... show where the 40.2" rifle was shipped. I do not need inferences.
 
pgwenthold said:
Oh, are you saying they also sent a 36" rifle? Got evidence of that?

Because if they sent a 40" rifle and did not send a 36" rifle, the 40" rifle is, again by definition, a substitute.
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Even if it could be proved that Klein sent a 36" rifle, the burden of proof would be to show there was another rifle with those trackable numbers.

LHO would still have owned the murder weapon.
LHO still posed for photographs with his pair of murder weapons.
His prints still implicate him in the crime.

Also, if the implication here is supposed to be that LHO was framed (the only reason I can see this is point worth defending) it raises a whole set of new burdens of proof:

Why LHO posed with that rifle (or why his rifle grew a few inches in one set of photos).
How it got into his workplace.
Why it was stamped with the same numbers as his rifle.
Who would be able to access those numbers, to make them look like his rifle.
 
bknight said:
And what information available in 1963 would prove that to your satisfaction?
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For shipping purposes, a packing slip showing a 40.2" rifle was sent to the PO Box. For picking it up, the Post Office will have a consent form that shows that Hidell is allowed to pick up product from the PO Box 2915.
 
No Other said:
That is not for me to determine; my challenge to others is to show the rifle LHO is holding is the one that was found at the TSBD.
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Other than being the same length as the murder weapon?
Of the same model?
The burden is for you to show it is NOT.
 
No Other said:
This is getting old... just show me where a 40.2" rifle was sent to the PO Box 2915; I am not asking for a rifle with the serial number C2766. The key is 40.2" not the serial number... show where the 40.2" rifle was shipped. I do not need inferences.
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This is getting old. You are right.
Why don't you show evidence that there is more than one rifle with the trackable serial numbers, and support your own burden of proof?

Go ahead.

Show me that Klein measured the rifle, and show me it was NOT 40.2"
 
Tomtomkent said:
Other than being the same length as the murder weapon?
Of the same model?
The burden is for you to show it is NOT.
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It is not my burden to prove anything of that nature. All paperwork shows a 36" was shipped, others claim a 40.2" was shipped INSTEAD of the 36". It is up to the people who take the counter position from what is established to prove they are correct. Just show us the paperwork that shows a 40.2" rifle was shipped.
 
No Other said:
The rifle in the photograph? I don't care how he got that rifle; if it can be proven that the rifle in the photograph is the rifle used in the assassination... then that would capture my attention.
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You may not care, but if you wish to posit that it is not the murder weapon, and in Oswalds possession, then you need to other a theory to better fit the facts. It is a rifle of the same length and model as the murder weapon. The woman taking the photographs confirms it is the murder weapon. Go ahead and supply a better explanation.

Or we will stick to the most likely explanation for the evidence.
 
pgwenthold said:
Oh, are you saying they also sent a 36" rifle? Got evidence of that?

Because if they sent a 40" rifle and did not send a 36" rifle, the 40" rifle is, again by definition, a substitute.
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I am saying the paperwork shows a 36" rifle was shipped. You need to show a 40.2" rifle was sent...
 
No Other said:
This is getting old... just show me where a 40.2" rifle was sent to the PO Box 2915;.
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Yes, this is silly.

The rifle with serial number C2766 was sent to the PO Box 2915. It is 40" long.

Are you claiming that the rifle Oswald got is not the rifle they sent? If not, why does it have the same serial number?
 
Tomtomkent said:
You may not care, but if you wish to posit that it is not the murder weapon, and in Oswalds possession, then you need to other a theory to better fit the facts. It is a rifle of the same length and model as the murder weapon. The woman taking the photographs confirms it is the murder weapon. Go ahead and supply a better explanation.

Or we will stick to the most likely explanation for the evidence.
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Is this your way of saying you do not have proof that the weapon LHO is holding is not the murder weapon?

You can stick to anything you care to stick to but if you want to stick to facts, it is best to show your proof. You have failed to do this...
 
No Other said:
I am saying the paperwork shows a 36" rifle was shipped. You need to show a 40.2" rifle was sent...
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The paperwork shows that the rifle sent had a serial number C2766. Oswald's fingerprints are on it, which shows he got it.

How did Oswald get that rifle if they didn't ship it to him?
 
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