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The Valley of the Wood Apes

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Drewbot said:
Do you think that number includes people who are living, or renting on the border of the forest, that just walk on the multitude of trails, that meander in and out of park service land?

Also- permitted scientists, such as Shrike, doing studies on the wildlife, trees, watershed?
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I am not certain of the metric used to establish NFS visitor numbers. I would bet those numbers do not include casual users though.
 
Based on the coordinates you posted, here is some data about the site.
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Oh, by the way, one virgin forest in Oklahoma over 10 acres. one.
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Resume said:
I am not certain of the metric used to establish NFS visitor numbers. I would bet those numbers do not include casual users though.
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Visitor numbers for national forests have to be estimates. Unlike most national parks, national forests do not have entrance stations. You can come and go at will. No record is made unless you visit a pay campground or other fee area. A lot of "visitors" are just driving through on their way from one city or town to another.
 
CORed said:
Visitor numbers for national forests have to be estimates.
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Sure, but there has to be some sort of metric used

Unlike most national parks, national forests do not have entrance stations. You can come and go at will. No record is made unless you visit a pay campground or other fee area. A lot of "visitors" are just driving through on their way from one city or town to another.
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There are a number of different activities that require permits, etc. I believe that the NAWAC were required to obtain permission for their "activities" but I might be misremembering that.
 
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Sure, but there has to be some sort of metric used


There are a number of different activities that require permits, etc. I believe that the NAWAC were required to obtain permission for their "activities" but I might be misremembering that.
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There's really no way to estimate how many times the locals use the area. Based on my visit, it's a high use area due to the network of well maintained "Jeep" trails. Most of which you could drive a car on.

The NAWACKYS playground is on private property adjacent to the NF. It's a hunting camp with multiple cabins that are rented during hunting season. I'm assuming they are renting the property during the offseason.
 
I don't have any idea what they're really doing in their "activities" at their "events" at such an otherwise unremarkable location that they couldn't do in 10,000 other better places, but it must be pretty bad for them to claim Bigfoot herding conservation as their main focus while continually forgetting to actually herd conserve any. :eye-poppi
 
Cervelo said:
There's really no way to estimate how many times the locals use the area. Based on my visit, it's a high use area due to the network of well maintained "Jeep" trails. Most of which you could drive a car on.
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If there's a defined two-track or jeep trail, you can bet people are using it,

The NAWACKYS playground is on private property adjacent to the NF. It's a hunting camp with multiple cabins that are rented during hunting season. I'm assuming they are renting the property during the offseason.
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The claimed "activity" occurs mostly on that private property but they claim to have done some footin' on the NF. Or I might have misremembered that.
 
HarryHenderson said:
I don't have any idea what they're really doing in their "activities" at their "events" at such an otherwise unremarkable location that they couldn't do in 10,000 other better places, but it must be pretty bad for them to claim Bigfoot herding conservation as their main focus while continually forgetting to actually herd conserve any. :eye-poppi
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They're piss-poor conservationists as the subject of their efforts has gone missing and left no forwarding address.
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LTC8K6 said:
How did the GPS data get into the NAWAC photo files?

Here ya go.....short version....almost all digital cameras and smart phones have embedded GPS coordinates in the photo data, this info is easy to extract.
Photos that are posted on the NAWACKIES website contained that info that I posted. I input those coordinators into a mapping app and posted a screen shot of that location.
http://www.digital-photo-secrets.com/tip/1401/how-do-you-find-the-gps-coordinates-of-your-photos/
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Yes, I turn that feature on when I take pictures on my woods hikes.

I wanted Jodie to explain it. :)

I was wondering if she thought the data was made up?
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Resume said:
If there's a defined two-track or jeep trail, you can bet people are using it,


The claimed "activity" occurs mostly on that private property but they claim to have done some footin' on the NF. Or I might have misremembered that.
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10/4 it's a very high use area.
Yes they claim to go on to the NF, and the GPS coordinates seem to confirm that.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Were you simply unaware of the GPS data that is in nearly all digital photos?

Most of the time the feature can be turned off, but few people are aware of it and few bother.
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In Jodie's defense, I think it is clear that she was reading the post in question as if it were claiming that NAWAC had taken an aerial photo which had GPS data embedded in it. She wondered how an aerial photo proves one is on the ground.

She is probably clear now that the aerial photo was simply a shot of the GPS coordinates that are embedded in the on-the-ground photos that NAWAC took.

Perhaps not, though. We'll see how she responds.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Were you simply unaware of the GPS data that is in nearly all digital photos?

Most of the time the feature can be turned off, but few people are aware of it and few bother.
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I haven't looked at NAWAC's site. All I'm seeing are aerial photos here, that isn't a person in a cabin.
 
Garrette said:
In Jodie's defense, I think it is clear that she was reading the post in question as if it were claiming that NAWAC had taken an aerial photo which had GPS data embedded in it. She wondered how an aerial photo proves one is on the ground.

She is probably clear now that the aerial photo was simply a shot of the GPS coordinates that are embedded in the on-the-ground photos that NAWAC took.

Perhaps not, though. We'll see how she responds.
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Well now I'm clear on it, thank you.
 
How do you know those pics are really Area X? I'm simply asking, I don't think any of it exists.
 
Garrette said:
In Jodie's defense, I think it is clear that she was reading the post in question as if it were claiming that NAWAC had taken an aerial photo which had GPS data embedded in it. She wondered how an aerial photo proves one is on the ground.

She is probably clear now that the aerial photo was simply a shot of the GPS coordinates that are embedded in the on-the-ground photos that NAWAC took.

Perhaps not, though. We'll see how she responds.
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LMAO....well I think you have your answer! Pretty typical stuff but not unexpected.
 
Well, tech aside, did it never occur to y'all that no money was spent on any of this and all of it is just fantasy to keep from paying taxes on membership dues? Unless I'm missing something.
 
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