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Merged A God of Love / The Living God

TraneWreck said:
God seems to be amazingly bad at this. You're saying he made everything perfect, except for us. That's kind of a big oversight, from Earth's perspective.

Please don't have him design any computers for me, "Hey, bro, this is a Jehova 3.1, unbelievably fast processor, perfect computer....unless you press that button then all of your relatives will die in a tsunami."
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[derail]

Between your avatar and the thread title, I now have "A Love Supreme" running through my head. Carry on.

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Johanabrahams said:
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Ok . . God made everything perfect. That would still have been the case if the first human beings made their choice for Him. To obey and love Him and to accept Him as their Father . . .teaching them about the earth. But they choose to walk their own way. And they messed up. So . . .we have a messed up earth. And now everyone is waiting on God to restore it again.
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Here we go again ......... the old God made us perfect but we decided to walk away from him line. And you really can't see that this doesn't stack up can you?

If God made us perfect we would have perfect judgment wouldn't we? We could not have made the wrong decision. Why does this have to be explained to the theist?
 
Zivan said:
That is a completely different movie. :(

This is the real one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_on_Trial

In the film, all the arguments against god are what we are always saying here on ISF----god is evil.
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D'oh! That's what I get for reading only the first line of the description

A young man is confronted with whether to believe in God or what he thought about religion.
The evidence shows that Jesus Christ is the way. A production by Jerry Thompson, Cottage Grove, Oregon.
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Johanabrahams said:
Brothers and sisters and children

Is there something like that . . . .and if there is . . .what is His Love to the human beings.

Just to leave them in their misery . . .an earth dying or is there more to Love?

Maybe a Love that we do not understand because we never ventured far enough?

Do we need it or are we complete without it?

Was what we are really the best that He could accomplish?

Love Johan
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Life is short, then you die.
 
Noztradamus said:
D'oh! That's what I get for reading only the first line of the description
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A young man is confronted with whether to believe in God or what he thought about religion.
The evidence shows that Jesus Christ is the way. A production by Jerry Thompson, Cottage Grove, Oregon.
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^ Ugh, that one sounds sickening...........

In the real film, god is definitely found guilty as charged------of all the cruel slaughter as written in the bible, from the flood to all the rest of the cruelty and slaughter.
 
IanS said:
He (God) "impregnated" her? How did he do that? :boggled:
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In her spirit. Like He is doing now. His seed (Word) is coming to me . . .mixing inside of me with who I am and children are born . . from me.
Thus I am giving birth . . .being the mother.

IanS said:
Where was he at the time, and what do you think he was doing? :rolleyes:
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He is right here . . .in my spirit . . .giving me the seed/Words which I am giving to everyone. And some will be born again. Being now gods too. Having a Father and a mother and brothers and sisters of a new species.

Love Johan
 
IanS said:
Well actually you are preaching again,
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IanS said:
but anyway - look at highlights 1 and 2 ; you are actually admitting that you believe in the existence of God because you want to believe that an invisible god of ancient uneducated superstition, will personally help you in what you describe as your own "need" for such help.
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Yep . . you see well. I believe in the existence of God. Because either I am god myself or there is someone else.

IanS said:
Why can't you take responsibility yourself for working to achieve whatever good things you hope to do in your life? ..
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And here is the problem . . .which I already spoke of. You are god yourself in your own life. So look wisely at what you have achieved. Do you really think you managed well?

IanS said:
why are you relying on an invisible un-evidenced god who was dreamed up 3000 years ago by people who by modern standards were almost unbelievably and quite stupefyingly ignorant & gullible for all manner of nonsensical superstitious beliefs?
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Yep . . .I am relying on that somebody. But not the one you know about. Not the "guite stupefyingly iggnorant superstitious beliefs." Nope. I believe in the Father God. Therefor He make me god also. No different than Himself. So I accepted. As I said already. Being god oneself is a lonesome experience. Human beings try to fill the void with other human beings. As a child you had your father and mother and brother, sisters etc. As grown-up you have your wife/husband and children. Further you try to fill your life with friends and family. But still there is a void. In yourself you see yourself only speaking to yourself. Nobody there. It is not a good experience. So I went for the relationship experience. Filling up the emptiness with somebody . .. a Father which I had as child. And unfortunately not a mother as our revelation at that stage didn't include a mother. So God got me born again . . . from Himself. Obviously in my knowledge now I have to admit that He is a higher species. First of all . . .He doesn't die like human beings. Obviously to you a human being . . knowing you face death . . .it should be something to consider. Secondly . . His quality of Life is so much more. Thirdly . . His abilities are so much more.

All these things made me stick to my choice now for almost 50 years. So I grew up as His child. He took me by the hand . . and provided mothers for me to help. And now that I am grown . . .I am mother myself. And the most important factor for a mother is her children. To give birth to them and to help them with the growing process. Everything else comes after that. And you know . . .the less of other things in the life of the mother makes her a better one. So to be a real good mother . . there should be nothing else distracting me. This is a tall order. Now God has provided for this. He Himself has His undivided attention of us so that I need nothing and can concentrate 100% on my spiritual children.

Sure . . I have been a human father also. And I saw the immense difference. I was a bad father. I have to admit. My time and my soul that I gave to my children was so limited because I had to spent most of my time in struggling to survive. Spending most of my time in earning money . . .and then afterwards I was so tired and emotionally stressed that there was little left of the really important side of the father for my children. Life just sucked.

Maybe some of you see what I am speaking about. I do know that it needs wisdom to see this. But that is why I am saying these things. And you are welcome to tell me how you are standing in this life without God. Did you perhaps found the 100%? Tell me about it. I found it . . .and I am ready to explain it all. Not just that . . .live it all. Be the 100% mother. This is the best to achieve in life. And this can only be achieved with God. This is no "stupefying ignorance". This is wisdom from God.


Love Johan
 
Porpoise of Life said:
Deep insight into the metaphysical workings of the entire universe, or mealy-mouthed post hoc waffling trying to make everything fit into a very narrow frame of reference?

The difference can sometimes be hard to see. Sometimes.
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But to those that struggle . . .you can try to explain.

Love Johan
 
TraneWreck said:
God seems to be amazingly bad at this. You're saying he made everything perfect, except for us.
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No . . .He made us perfect too. Part of this perfection was our ability to choose. We could choose to be gods ourselves or allow Him to be God. So we choose as many do today as well . .to be gods ourselves. And so we control our own lives and that of the earth. A mess.

TraneWreck;11839692That's kind of a big oversight said:
Well He is more concerned about us . . realizing that we are nothing without Him. But while we are not realizing . . .everything is just getting worse. And when everything is dead . . then there still will be some trying to bring life . . to what they killed themselves. Human beings are so foolish.

TraneWreck;11839692Please don't have him design any computers for me said:
Well all the problems with computers are not from Him. Human beings can be so foolish. Do not worry. I used to be one too . . and sometimes I again make the mistake to be one. But at least . . .I am learning where the problem really is. Not with you or me . .but with us.

Love Johan
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Thor 2 said:
Here we go again ......... the old God made us perfect but we decided to walk away from him line. And you really can't see that this doesn't stack up can you?

If God made us perfect we would have perfect judgment wouldn't we? We could not have made the wrong decision. Why does this have to be explained to the theist?
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The problem is this. Anything God made is made. It is creation. It is not Him. The only way we can be Him is give up our live and accept His in its place. Then we are fully Him. He made us perfect so that we can allow this to happen. But we decided to be . . . we. So . . you are made perfect to accept Him to be your new Life . . .only problem is . . .you love yourself to much to give up what you are to become Him. But He is prepared to give up His Life to become you. So where is the problem . . .your selfishness.



Love Johan
 
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