Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[Johanabrahams]

This is a tragedy. I grieve for your poor mother

Edited by Agatha: 

Edited breach of rule 12

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Nope . . .it was not me. It was she that walked that way. She tried to get me judged mad by lies. It is like trying to convince yourself that two plus two equals 10. Obviously your mind would take leave of you. But she was a child of God two . . luckily . . .so He taught her and she came around. . . .confessed her mistake to me . . .and we lived happily together for another 5 years before she went to Father.

The sound of clarity flying over your head makes a slithering sound.

Well . . .some I explain that you do not understand . . .and some you should explain that I do not understand. But maybe this one is above your head too.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

Do you mean she slept through impregnation, or delivery?

Nope . . neither . . .during impregnation she was enjoying herself . . .and during delivery she was in much pain. Both situations would have kept her wide awake.

But after impregnation . . .if it went very very well . . .then mostly the parents are asleep and then many intriguing things are happening as result of this impregnation. Hundreds of possibilities are rushing to find their life . . .and here only God has His say. And then you were created by God . . .using what your mother and father provided. And then many days went by during which your parents were wondering whom He created.

If the former, it doesn't say much for God's performance.

Or the mother's love.

If the latter, it doesn't say much for your knowledge of the physical process.

yep . . .I agree.

If both, well, I can only shake my head.

yep . . I would too.

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[Johanabrahams]

I agree - you're still not making any sense..

Ok . . .let us see. God created the reality and the shadow. If you see the shadow of the tree you know that there is a real tree. But the shadow is so much less than the reality. And when you see life you see the shadow. There is a real life. The shadow pass but not the reality. Good news. Life as you see it pass . . but not the reality. So every species has family life. God created it thus so that we can experience the shadow and understand the reality. God's family is the reality. It never passes and is so much more. God was alone and created the possibility for Himself for a family. But man has to give himself for that reality. Becoming God's children. He wants children. Just as we want them. But to become God's children . . obviously you cannot stay human anymore. To that you have to die. And then you need to be born again. From God. Then you have to look at your new Father to grow up in His Life till you fully grown in His Life.

The mouse look at his parents and grow up to become a full mouse. So does the dog. And so did you to become a grown-up. The same with God's children. Looks very obvious to me.

Love Johan

 

[Pixel42]

But after impregnation . . .if it went very very well . . .then mostly the parents are asleep and then many intriguing things are happening as result of this impregnation. Hundreds of possibilities are rushing to find their life . . .and here only God has His say. And then you were created by God . . .using what your mother and father provided. And then many days went by during which your parents were wondering whom He created.

Up to 40% of the embryos so formed are miscarried, usually because of chromosomal damage. That's a hell of a failure rate for a supposedly perfect and omnipotent God. Then there's the ones which are damaged but aren't miscarried, who die soon after birth or a few years later.

We know what happens during the period you're describing, and there's no trace whatsoever of any divine intervention.

 

[Johanabrahams]

No this doesn't clear it up for me at all when I look at your original statement.

Father and mother come together and have a child. So what is difficult about this?

Had a look at the Christian forum thread you linked us to and it seems you are having trouble finding agreement with your fellow believers. Mind you there is considerable confusion about the meaning of this or that piece of scripture generally it seems.

Well what you saw is what is generally the condition with one that know and those that think they know. But what is important is that what I am saying here I am saying there too. And although there is differences . . .they do not have to much difficulty in accepting it. But this is not always the case. I can show you this one where I was banned for saying what I am saying.

http://johanabrahams.pnyhost.com/New Revelations.html

Look here at Worthy Forums

Love Johan

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Well what you saw is what is generally the condition with one that know and those that think they know.

So how do you know you know, and you're​ not just thinking you know?
The subjective experience is the same, so I suppose you must have some kind of external validation for your claims of gnosis?

 

[Thor 2]

Father and mother come together and have a child. So what is difficult about this?



Well what you saw is what is generally the condition with one that know and those that think they know. But what is important is that what I am saying here I am saying there too. And although there is differences . . .they do not have to much difficulty in accepting it. But this is not always the case. I can show you this one where I was banned for saying what I am saying.

http://johanabrahams.pnyhost.com/New Revelations.html

Look here at Worthy Forums

Love Johan

So you being the one that knows was banned by others who just think they know ........... right?

 

[Rincewind]

Ok . . .let us see. God created the reality and the shadow. If you see the shadow of the tree you know that there is a real tree. But the shadow is so much less than the reality. And when you see life you see the shadow. There is a real life. The shadow pass but not the reality. Good news. Life as you see it pass . . but not the reality. So every species has family life. God created it thus so that we can experience the shadow and understand the reality. God's family is the reality. It never passes and is so much more. God was alone and created the possibility for Himself for a family. But man has to give himself for that reality. Becoming God's children. He wants children. Just as we want them. But to become God's children . . obviously you cannot stay human anymore. To that you have to die. And then you need to be born again. From God. Then you have to look at your new Father to grow up in His Life till you fully grown in His Life.

The mouse look at his parents and grow up to become a full mouse. So does the dog. And so did you to become a grown-up. The same with God's children. Looks very obvious to me.

Love Johan

Well, Johan, you're still not making any sense to me.

And, you've not addressed the question about the Tsetse fly in a way I can understand.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Up to 40% of the embryos so formed are miscarried, usually because of chromosomal damage. That's a hell of a failure rate for a supposedly perfect and omnipotent God. Then there's the ones which are damaged but aren't miscarried, who die soon after birth or a few years later.

We know what happens during the period you're describing, and there's no trace whatsoever of any divine intervention.

I didn't say that there was divine intervention. I said that God used what was given Him in the best He could without violating man's agreement with Him.

Love Johan

 

[Pixel42]

I didn't say that there was divine intervention. I said that God used what was given Him in the best He could without violating man's agreement with Him.

If "God has his say" when egg and sperm come together then that is divine intervention, by definition. "What is given him" will always include plenty of eggs and sperms that don't have chromosomal damage, yet up to 40% of the embryos that form do. So my point stands.

 

[Johanabrahams]

So how do you know you know, and you're​ not just thinking you know?

Two things. When your earthly father tells you as a child you know because of what your relationship is. Same with the heavenly Father which is my Father. I know because of my relationship with Him. Just as an earthly father that loves you teach you with the purpose of learning you about life just the same with the heavenly Father.

And secondly. When you follow your earthly father and you succeed then you know that you know the truth.

Let us take and example. From baby steps you learn to know. He teach you to crawl. Meaning he assist you to reach that ability. And then to walk and then to speak and then he teaches faster. He tells you about the way to drive a motorcar. And you do it and then you know. The heavenly Father just the same. He told me about His love. His love is to grow up in His Life. No different. Problem is just . . .it is His Life. I know nothing about it. So He takes me by the hand and tell me and show me and help me till I get it right. Bit by bit He takes me into His Life to become what He is.
That is what this thread is about. He is a Father. And He is everybody's Father . . .now only by choice. He was part of everybody's creation and He wants to be part of everybody's restoration to real Life . . .godly Life. No force . . just I am a witness. Obviously I am excited because I have good news.

The subjective experience is the same, so I suppose you must have some kind of external validation for your claims of gnosis?

Yep . . .lots. Much of the Life of God already created in me. Growing in Godly Life. Having a Father and a mother of true Love . . everlasting! That is true Love . . don't you agree?

Love Johan.

 

[IanS]

Actually He impregnated His wife as He is the Father. And obviously the child is then born from the seed of both but from the womb of the mother.

Love Johan

He (God) "impregnated" her? How did he do that?

Where was he at the time, and what do you think he was doing?

 

[IanS]

And then there are those that want to find their quality of live in God. They go for obedience to Him . . .accepting them as their Father in their lives. As for me . . .I went this way. (1) I realized I would like to have a Father that can guide me through live. I do not want to live as a god . . .creating my own life as a human being. (2) I needed someone to love and be loved. Not wanting to live on my own . . .loving myself.

Even now . . .I came here with the purpose of looking for them with like minds. Those that see that relationship is what God created life to be. But not excluding Him. Finding Him in His proper place and everybody else in their prospective place in the family.

Love Johan

Well actually you are preaching again, but anyway - look at highlights 1 and 2 ; you are actually admitting that you believe in the existence of God because you want to believe that an invisible god of ancient uneducated superstition, will personally help you in what you describe as your own "need" for such help. Why can't you take responsibility yourself for working to achieve whatever good things you hope to do in your life? ... why are you relying on an invisible un-evidenced god who was dreamed up 3000 years ago by people who by modern standards were almost unbelievably and quite stupefyingly ignorant & gullible for all manner of nonsensical superstitious beliefs?

 

[Beady]

Wait a minute! Wasn't the God of Love actually Don Knotts?

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[Johanabrahams]

So you being the one that knows was banned by others who just think they know ........... right?

What happens is that everyone that get revelation from God thinks that His is the most that God has. And they form opinions of what has not yet been revealed to them. And when this opinion is questioned they get the impression that it is not from God. While actually it is from God . . wanting to take them higher. Just like in a physical household one child is older and knows more and helping the other one to understand what he already knows. In this case it is actually a big step forward. Suddenly there is not just older brothers . . but a mother also. So . . .I understand the confusion and the fear of being led "astray".

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

Well, Johan, you're still not making any sense to me.

Sure I can understand that. This also didn't make sense to me in the beginning. But Father takes His child by the hand and lead Him into everything. And so does mother. Any child needs to be a baby first. Babies does not understand much. They hear a lot and understands later. So God is another specie. To be His child needs to be born again. . . .from Him. Then you can grow up as a god.

And, you've not addressed the question about the Tsetse fly in a way I can understand.

Ok . . God made everything perfect. That would still have been the case if the first human beings made their choice for Him. To obey and love Him and to accept Him as their Father . . .teaching them about the earth. But they choose to walk their own way. And they messed up. So . . .we have a messed up earth. And now everyone is waiting on God to restore it again.

 

[Johanabrahams]

If "God has his say" when egg and sperm come together then that is divine intervention, by definition. "What is given him" will always include plenty of eggs and sperms that don't have chromosomal damage, yet up to 40% of the embryos that form do. So my point stands.

You see He needs to honor His agreement with the first human beings . . . that He will leave them alone and correct nothing. So . . by agreement He cannot correct damages they do. They need to stand in for their own damages.
So He can only keep life going on without intervention . . .correcting imperfection to perfection.

You are god yourself and should look after those "imperfections". If you cannot . . .maybe you should realize that you need . . .God. If He corrected everything then you would never have realized that just maybe . . .He is needed.

Love Johan

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Deep insight into the metaphysical workings of the entire universe, or mealy-mouthed post hoc waffling trying to make everything fit into a very narrow frame of reference?

The difference can sometimes be hard to see. Sometimes.

 

[Donn]

Ok . . God made everything perfect. That would still have been the case if the first human beings made their choice for Him. … But they choose to walk their own way. And they messed up. So . . .we have a messed up earth. And now everyone is waiting on God to restore it again.

Urgh. <spits>

 

[TraneWreck]

Ok . . God made everything perfect. That would still have been the case if the first human beings made their choice for Him. To obey and love Him and to accept Him as their Father . . .teaching them about the earth. But they choose to walk their own way. And they messed up. So . . .we have a messed up earth. And now everyone is waiting on God to restore it again.

God seems to be amazingly bad at this. You're saying he made everything perfect, except for us. That's kind of a big oversight, from Earth's perspective.

Please don't have him design any computers for me, "Hey, bro, this is a Jehova 3.1, unbelievably fast processor, perfect computer....unless you press that button then all of your relatives will die in a tsunami."