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If the Dutch can prove it, why can't we (Trump/Russia connection)

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That said, maybe the dots have been joined back in the US but there's a huge difference between "proving" something on TV and having a strong enough case to stand up to legal scrutiny.
 
From where I stand, I think the IC (under leadership of the FBI) have already enough evidence (legally binding).

The problem is that they do not have a prosecuting body that they can take the evidence to. Because that would need to be Congress, which does not (yet) have interest. From the way they behave, one of the most probable explanations is that key members of GOP are complicit (or at least have knowledge of, and try to block, which in itself is illegal) in the criminal actions under investigation.

From what I see, the only way out is what is termed a "social media impeachment" in which irrefutable evidence is presented in a public, legally binding and recorded forum, such as a public court trial or public congressional hearing. This is what Comey intended, and still intends to do -- from what I hear, the reason he was scheduled to appear before a committee coming Tuesday, but was canceled, because he insisted on a public hearing. See, he already told people enough in non-public hearings, but nothing happened.

The reason he waited so long, IMO, was to collect enough evidence that would stand up in such a forum, or was admissable outside of congress in a suitable court in a trial against someone sufficiently down the ladder to prosecute, but not low enough to block evidence against the big fish, and was convincing enough to blow the **** far enough.
 
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This one is easy. It doesn't prove Trump committed a crime.

Apparently you didn't watch the documentaries. Solid evidence, properly investigated by the appropriate professionals. There should be a lot more of this type of hard-hitting journalism making it to the public airwaves, and not being relegated to foreign media to do.

But the regular sources seem to be too afraid of Trump's twitter account to speak up.
 
You've got me convinced. Like Benghazi and Emailgate. I'll add it to the list of anti-Trump CTs. Until I see something that will hold up in a legal court.
 
You've got me convinced. Like Benghazi and Emailgate. I'll add it to the list of anti-Trump CTs. Until I see something that will hold up in a legal court.

So if Trump is never prosecuted and convicted, it proves he did nothing wrong? Nixon was never convicted of anything, either. I guess Watergate was just a CT.
 
If the Dutch can prove it why can't we?

Probably because they haven't proven anything.
 
Watch the documentaries. Names. Dates. Places. Specific actions. With evidence.


I haven't watched the program(s)... don't plan to either.

But I'm quite interested in an English language transcript if one shows up.
Or even a comprehensive recap of the details.

(Maddow and O'Donnell have been tag-teaming the issue pretty hard for a couple of months, so I'm probably familiar with most of it... but new detail is slowly coming out day by day and a dedicated investigative production probably has it laid out in a more digestable form.)
 
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I haven't watched the program(s)... don't plan to either.

But I'm quite interested in an English language transcript if one shows up.
Or even a comprehensive recap of the details.

(Maddow and O'Donnell have been tag-teaming the issue pretty hard for a couple of months, so I'm probably familiar with most of it... but new detail is slowly coming out day by day and a dedicated investigative production probably has it laid out in a more digestable form.)

It's in English
 
I haven't watched the program(s)... don't plan to either.

But I'm quite interested in an English language transcript if one shows up.
Or even a comprehensive recap of the details.

(Maddow and O'Donnell have been tag-teaming the issue pretty hard for a couple of months, so I'm probably familiar with most of it... but new detail is slowly coming out day by day and a dedicated investigative production probably has it laid out in a more digestable form.)

Side question: Why are so many people doing that? "I won't watch the docu, but I'll read the transcript, if one is available..."

Honestly curious.
 
The first 10 minutes of part one is nothing but a rehash of the news, Trump said incriminating things, but they aren't presenting evidence.

Could you suggest where in the videos I might skip ahead to where they actually present evidence?

Not knowing how much you know already, I couldn't suggest anything. And I don't have either one timed out in any event.

But it's all evidence. They're very thorough in their documentation.
 
That was just a preemptive suggestion, but I suspected as much.
I balk at slogging through pieces that have been run through Google Translate. :p

The versions I linked to are in spoken english, but some of the quotes are in native language, but with professionally done subtitles by the documentarists, not the Google translate crap YT uses.
 
Side question: Why are so many people doing that? "I won't watch the docu, but I'll read the transcript, if one is available..."

Honestly curious.

I can think of multiple reasons, among them...

Most "expose" vids (not these professional programs per se) are merely amature "moving picture blogs", not worth the time compared to a well written article. Too much "blah, blah, ramble, ramble".

Many people nowdays are either using mobile or sat net connections... bandwidth caps mean limiting video viewing.

For myself, at the moment I'm stuck with a backup Win8 Tablet that just doesn't have the oomph to watch video for long before it chokes on a lack of RAM. And the speakers suck, I need headphones to hear just about anything on it.

I'm sure there are other good reasoons.
 
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Fair points. I was about to say I wouldn't recommend watching it on too small a screen. I couldn't read the captions on my monitor, but there was enough to the docus that didn't depend on the direct quotes that I couldn't follow along.
 
Side question: Why are so many people doing that? "I won't watch the docu, but I'll read the transcript, if one is available..."

Honestly curious.

Because I can scan ahead, and get tot he good parts without having to watch crap- like commercials during TV news shows.


I have no reason , even 50 years later, to doubt a statement I heard - "There are more words on one page pf a news paper than in a whole TV news show."

You are a thinking man, or are you a sheeple, sitting drooling, watching a video of what the MSM want you to be subjected to??
 

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