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NoahFence said:
She lost me with the tax return fiasco. She's no more trustworthy a source than britebart as far as I'm concerned
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Yeah, that was one of her low moments. I'm not a huge fan of Madow's show. She often takes too long and includes too many irrelevant sidetracks before getting to the point.

But sometimes that long lead up actually does cover point by point something relevant to the punchline. That was the case tonight.
 
NoahFence said:
She lost me with the tax return fiasco. She's no more trustworthy a source than britebart as far as I'm concerned
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I have same feelings about any Steele dossiers given that no one has provided evidence to substantiate much there (like placing Trump crew in Prague).
 
BobTheCoward said:
I have same feelings about any Steele dossiers given that no one has provided evidence to substantiate much there (like placing Trump crew in Prague).
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Did you quit paying attention after the first challenge of that material?

Because except for the golden showers, even the CIA is treating the material as credible.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Did you quit paying attention after the first challenge of that material?

Because except for the golden showers, even the CIA is treating the material as credible.
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The CIA treating it as credible, and the CIA publicly presenting evidence to confirm those claims are two different things. I try not to accept claims of fact based on secrets. Especially from an organization with so little credibility.
 
JihadJane said:
'The Senate’s investigation into Trump’s Russia ties is staffed by only 7 people, part-time
Don't expect many results from the investigation over the next few years'
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Ugh. Now, if we compare that to the force investigating, say, Benghazi...

With a two-year budget of $1.2 million and such a small staff, the resources devoted to the Senate intelligence committee’s Russia investigation pale in comparison to those of other high-profile probes. The House Select Committee on Benghazi, for example, had 46 staffers and spent as much as $3.6 million a year.
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Or what were apparently 12 full-time staffers for Hillary's e-mails...

Well, it's to the point where perhaps one should wonder whether Republican Congressmen were somehow involved, when they're acting like this.
 
NoahFence said:
She lost me with the tax return fiasco. She's no more trustworthy a source than britebart as far as I'm concerned
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Andrea Mitchell is the one that did the reporting. Maddow is just covering it on her show.
 
NoahFence said:
She lost me with the tax return fiasco. She's no more trustworthy a source than britebart as far as I'm concerned
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The "fiasco" being that she didn't have very much, not that what she had wasn't true. Why would that make her less trustworthy?
 
Mycroft said:
The "fiasco" being that she didn't have very much, not that what she had wasn't true. Why would that make her less trustworthy?
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It probably wasn't even her fault but rather a programming decision to play it up bigger than it was.
 
Mycroft said:
The "fiasco" being that she didn't have very much, not that what she had wasn't true. Why would that make her less trustworthy?
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Skeptic Ginger said:
It probably wasn't even her fault but rather a programming decision to play it up bigger than it was.
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Yes, Maddow just sent two tweets, neither of which overstated the finding. The rest was massive retweeting and MSNBC making it a big production by announcing it everywhere and putting up a countdown clock. The disappointment was due to expectations that it would show him paying little or no taxes, and it isn't really fair to hold Maddow responsible for that expectation. Whatever it showed was newsworthy, and it turns out that the return is important after all: We know for that year at least, Trump paid the alternative minimum tax which he wants to eliminate, and that the "reform" plan he outlined would have saved him tens of millions of dollars. This year, it's probably much more, since he's so blatantly capitalizing on his office.
 
Mycroft said:
The "fiasco" being that she didn't have very much, not that what she had wasn't true. Why would that make her less trustworthy?
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Moreover, Media Matters just had an article pointing out that what WAS in those tax returns is even more significant now that he's shown his plan for tax reform. For example, his plan to eliminate the alternative minimum tax. In the tax return we've seen, he paid $31 mil in the alternative minimum tax.

Coincidence? Or self-serving?

How much of his tax plan makes sense in the context of his taxes?
 
UK spy documents: Trump Organization paid Russian hackers who took orders from Putin

Last December, the U.K. government was reportedly given extensive records of Trump campaign officials’ interactions with the Kremlin.

The Guardian reported former MI6 agent Christopher Steele’s infamous dossier about possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia was first given to the UK intelligence services. These documents reportedly contain records of payments from the Trump campaign to banks of Russian cyber trolls tasked with spreading disinformation ahead of the 2016 election.
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Obviously fake news. No way in hell Trump would pay a contractor without being forced to by court order.
 
pgwenthold said:
Moreover, Media Matters just had an article pointing out that what WAS in those tax returns is even more significant now that he's shown his plan for tax reform. For example, his plan to eliminate the alternative minimum tax. In the tax return we've seen, he paid $31 mil in the alternative minimum tax.

Coincidence? Or self-serving?
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Not self-serving at all. It serves lots of his family and friends and their families and friends, and what could be less self-serving - more sacrificiial, really - than that?
 
Stacko said:
UK spy documents: Trump Organization paid Russian hackers who took orders from Putin

Obviously fake news. No way in hell Trump would pay a contractor without being forced to by court order.
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I'm going to wait a bit more for this to pan out. I did find the dossier to be credible whether Trump's into golden showers or not.

But what about the timing. When was the DNC hacked? Anyone know? Is it consistent that it was after these meetings?:

Steele outlined how four Trump campaign representatives traveled to Prague in the Czech Republic in August or September to have “secret discussions with Kremlin representatives and associated operators/hackers.” The group discussed how they would pay hackers for breaking into the Democratic Party’s computers and developing a “contingency plans for covering up operations.”
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Or were they paying for the files that were already hacked? Or tying to get the hackers to find more of Clinton's emails?

This is pretty damning in that the report is about court documents. Who has filed what at this point? Anyone know that yet?
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Amusing scene on Russian TV:


If you don't get why it goes to the core of the "Russian propaganda" bruhaha, just analyze the scene and ask yourself when you last saw a patriotic Russian journalist with decent English skills invited to a prominent Western pre$$titute media talk show, and why that is. ;)
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I just think it's interesting how Russians with good English skills largely aren't blindly patriotic to the Putin regime, at least the ones I know.

Perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising.

Of course, the govt there has to vet the interviewee before they talk to the free Western media talk show they are taking advantage of.

No wonder we usually see prominent faces like this:

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IIIClovisIII said:
I just think it's interesting how Russians with good English skills largely aren't blindly patriotic to the Putin regime, at least the ones I know.

Perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising.
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Not surprising indeed (substituting "blindly patriotic" with "not openly hostile and arrested with Navalny and his four buddies").
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm going to wait a bit more for this to pan out. I did find the dossier to be credible whether Trump's into golden showers or not.

But what about the timing. When was the DNC hacked? Anyone know? Is it consistent that it was after these meetings?:



Or were they paying for the files that were already hacked? Or tying to get the hackers to find more of Clinton's emails?

This is pretty damning in that the report is about court documents. Who has filed what at this point? Anyone know that yet?
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We don't even know that the DNC was "hacked".
 
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