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The CIA and NSA have not claimed that something DID happen. They have expressed "high confidence" that it could have happened.


This is the sort of bizarre attitude that would allow someone to claim that the remaining 5% of a claim with "95% confidence" means that the entire claim can be dismissed without effort.

I'm not pretending that the CIA's and FBI's confidence is that high, of course, but you're playing extremely loose with their words.
 
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This is the sort of bizarre attitude that would allow someone to claim that the remaining 5% of a claim with "95% confidence" means that the entire claim can be dismissed without effort.

I'm not pretending that the CIA's and FBI's confidence is that high, of course, but you're playing extremely loose with their words.

But this is someone who claims that Russia didn't invade the Crimea
 
There seems to have been a lack of strategy and strategic vision and war plan in Afghanistan, apart from having a proxy war with Russia and that drunken peasant Yeltsin, if not Putin. This is an interesting opinion on this website. This is part of it. I don't know if Trump will seize the situation like a man:

www.csis.org/analysis/Afghanistan-death-strategy

The Assumptions behind a Strategy that Has Been a Long Time Dying

The reality, however, is that the strategy developed under General Stanley McCrystal has been dying for a long time and for many more reasons than the growing distrust between U.S. and ISAF personnel and the Afghans. It was already clear in 2009 that the odds of success were no better than 50 percent.
The key reasons shaping uncertainty as to whether the mission could be accomplished—whether it would be possible to create an Afghanistan that could largely stand on its own and be free of any major enclaves of terrorists or violent extremists—went far beyond the problems created by the insurgents.
It was clear that there were four roughly equal threats to success, of which the Afghan Taliban, Haqqani, and Hekmatyar were only the first. The second was the corruption and incompetence of the Afghan government. The third was the role of Pakistan and its tolerance and support of insurgent sanctuaries. The fourth was the United States and its allies.

This fourth threat was compounded by years of failing to focus on Afghanistan while the United States focused on Iraq. It was compounded by the weak, underfunded, and grossly undermanned effort to build Afghan forces, by the corrupting flood of unmanaged and unaudited military spending and aid, and by the lack of effective civilian aid workers and well-managed and coordinated efforts.

The response was to hope that the problems in the administration of President Hamid Karzai, and throughout the Afghan government, could be corrected after what was assumed to be an Afghan presidential election where Karzai would glide to power without major incidents. It was also assumed that aid and training to the Pakistani forces, and the growing internal threat they faced from the Pakistani Taliban, would lead Pakistan to clear the sanctuaries held by Afghan insurgents, as much out of their own interest as a result of U.S. and allied prodding.

It was to build up enough U.S. forces to clear and hold the critical populated areas and districts in the south and east, while keeping allied forces at least at their existing level. It was to rush in trainers and advisers in sufficient numbers to build an effective mix of Afghan security forces. It was to reform the aid and spending process to create integrated civil-military efforts and to deploy enough new aid workers to allow the Afghan government to hold and build in the same the critical populated areas and districts that were the focus of the military campaign.

The critical underpinning assumption behind all of these efforts was that they would be properly resourced for as long as it took to determine whether the new strategy could work. It was that the timing of U.S. and allied efforts would be “conditions based” and not subject to some arbitrary deadline.

The Reasons for a Slow Death......
 
If any lesson is to be learnt it's that air power alone does not win wars, but it's a zombie concept that just will not lie down.

That "zombie concept" from 75 years ago?

I don't know where you go for current military strategy, but I'm pretty sure our military has been aware of that for many decades now.

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The Senate Intelligence Committee has been solely focused on reviewing the Intelligence Community Assessment. A declassified version was made public in January. The public assessment did not provide any substantial evidence that Trump or his team had worked with Russia in any way, but rather, came to the conclusion that Russia wanted Trump to be victorious in the general election.

'The Senate’s investigation into Trump’s Russia ties is staffed by only 7 people, part-time
Don't expect many results from the investigation over the next few years
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That "zombie concept" from 75 years ago?

I don't know where you go for current military strategy, but I'm pretty sure our military has been aware of that for many decades now.

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One would hope so, although the propensity for the military to fight next year's wars with last year's strategies leaves me somewhat less than optimistic.

However, the belief that air power alone can win ground wars is still quite common among the average citizens.

How often do you hear or read about people saying; Well, all we have to do is just bomb the **** out of them." or something to that effect.?

And politicians are as guilty of this sort of fallacy as the rest of them. Maybe more so, because they are trying to win votes, and don't mind at all lying to their constituents if they think it makes them sound good.

Would our military bomb the hell out of somewhere just because their politician bosses demanded that they do it, even though they knew perfectly well that it would serve no useful military purpose and might even make matters worse?

That isn't the sort of thing which has given them much pause in past conflicts.
 
That "zombie concept" from 75 years ago?
Over a century, actually.

I don't know where you go for current military strategy, but I'm pretty sure our military has been aware of that for many decades now.
I'm pretty sure there's another school of thought present in the military which may one day regain the ascendency. It's always popular with politicians because it promises to be relatively cheap, in blood and treasure.
 
This is the sort of bizarre attitude that would allow someone to claim that the remaining 5% of a claim with "95% confidence" means that the entire claim can be dismissed without effort.

I'm not pretending that the CIA's and FBI's confidence is that high, of course, but you're playing extremely loose with their words.

The reason members of the Intelligence Community choose that language, and not getting more definite, is that the people they normally report to are either complicit and focus of their investigation, or are not willing to want to hear what the IC have to say because it leads to destroying their own power base.
 
Amusing to see a discussion about dictators in which everyone assumes that the USA isn't the biggest dictator the world has ever seen. No one here is talking about the dangers of appeasing US militarism.

The only way to stop the United States’ aggression is to get rid of dollar addiction, a Kremlin advisor said on Friday.

"The United States has no tools to make all others use the dollar other than a truncheon...

In the period of WWI and WWII, Britain acted as a provoker in a bid to keep its global leadership. Now the United States is doing the same. And Trump expresses these interests," he said.


Kremlin Advisor Reveals 'Cure For US Aggression'
 
As global financial reserve currency of first resort, the dollar experiences a level of demand that is the sum of:

(1) Investment flows. The dollar is bought to invest in US-based securities and assets.
(2) Goods flows: The dollar is bought to pay for US goods and services.
(3) Transactions in dollars. The dollar is bought to pay third parties who price in dollars (oil).

(1) and (3) are what can sustain a currency and keep it from devaluing due to a trade deficit (trade demand for dollars is less than dollars sold to buy imports). There has been talk for some time about pricing oil in some other currency, but the lack of a viable alternative has largely made it a goal without a means to accomplish it. As for being a safe investment haven, only China could displace the US, but that would be once it had thoroughly shown its ability to govern markets in a fairly disinterested and sound manner. This could happen, but has not yet.

No conspiracies are needed to explain this. The US produced a whopping 50% of world GDP following WWII, ensconcing the dollar as the new reserve currency, replacing the British pound, which represented the largest investment safe haven (London) up until that time. No natural economic forces have acted to change this so far.
 
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Removed the whole WWII discussion. Please do not continue that here.
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Trump just blamed Obama for not vetting Flynn properly. Guaranteed, behind the scenes GOP leaders are rolling their eyes over this one.
It's not that Trump tries to blame other people for his mistakes,...that is pretty common behavior with politicans of all stripes...but that Trump is so incompent in doing it.
 
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Trump just blamed Obama for not vetting Flynn properly. Guaranteed, behind the scenes GOP leaders are rolling their eyes over this one.
It's not that Trump tries to blame other people for his mistakes,...that is pretty common behavior with politicans of all stripes...but that Trump is so incompent in doing it.

Obama also fired Flynn. He didn't force the Hair to associate with him or appoint him NSA. What an incompetent fool.
 
Amusing scene on Russian TV:


If you don't get why it goes to the core of the "Russian propaganda" bruhaha, just analyze the scene and ask yourself when you last saw a patriotic Russian journalist with decent English skills invited to a prominent Western pre$$titute media talk show, and why that is. ;)
 
Amusing scene on Russian TV:


If you don't get why it goes to the core of the "Russian propaganda" bruhaha, just analyze the scene and ask yourself when you last saw a patriotic Russian journalist with decent English skills invited to a prominent Western pre$$titute media talk show, and why that is. ;)
Is it because all the "patriotic" Russian journalists with decent English skills are employed by Russian propaganda outlets? You know, like RT, Sputnik news or Fort Russ?

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Is it because all the "patriotic" Russian journalists with decent English skills are employed by Russian propaganda outlets? You know, like RT, Sputnik news or Fort Russ?


Of course not. They could make good entertainment, like the Newsweek guy and his fellow travellers who appear frequently on Russian TV. Why let that opportunity go?
 
Caught in another big fat lie: Trump, Sessions and Pence. They knew all about Flynn, then just before firing him they claimed they never knew. Spicer repeats the lie that they all relied on Obama era security clearance.

This is from February: White House claims about Flynn, Russia scandal draw fresh scrutiny
According to multiple reports, the Justice Department informed the White House in late January – at least two weeks ago – about its concerns that Michael Flynn could be subject to blackmail from Russian officials. A Washington Post report last night added an interesting detail:
A senior Trump administration official said before Flynn’s resignation that the White House was aware of the matter, adding that “we’ve been working on this for weeks.”
Hmm. So the Trump White House has known for weeks about Flynn’s apparent lies, and Trump aides have spent weeks working on forcing Flynn out of the administration. But as recently as Friday, the president himself was completely in the dark about the controversy?

Drip drip drip ... Maddow is on the case.

April 25th: Russians behind payments for Flynn's work for Turkey: Report

Last night: Subject of Flynn seems to panic Trump and his allies

Can't find a link yet to tonight's show where she's outlined details of all the times Trump, Pence and Sessions were briefed about Flynn, followed by weeks later when they denied it all.
 
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