Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[Johanabrahams]

If you think you've given any sort of argument or reason to believe in god, then you have no idea what those words mean.

Well . . as you obviously knows . . tell us.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

You have yet to post a single thing that might even charitably be considered objective, non-anecdotal, empirical evidence for the existence of your 'god'...

here I am.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Incest? The bible is full of it.

But happily something I've managed to avoid, being a godless atheist.

Actually I am speaking about the correct one . . .and you missed it. But do not worry . . as I said already . . .human beings cannot judge and your misjudgment is forgiven because God died for your sins. But I am here to help you as God is helper . .and so am I - like Father like child.

Love Johan

 

[Pixel42]

Interesting . . .I would like to see your argument.

The Bible is a collection of stories by many authors. Some are a reasonably accurate account of actual events, some are a very distorted and inaccurate account of actual events, and many are pure myth. Some of the stories are directly contradicted by archaeological evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Bible

 

[Johanabrahams]

Oh shucks!

I thought that you were speaking of "hot monkey love".

Why do you "snip" my post. Because when you do it . . it is not mine anymore . . but yours . . .wrong judgment again . .. .but as I said already human beings cannot judge . . .only God . . .but you are forgiven as God died for your sins and therefor I do not need to be angry, irritated or anything human beings suffer off because of their lack of ability to forgive.

As for "hot money love" . . no problem. You are a human being. They do not see. Jesus has to open their eyes first.


Love Johan

 

[Slowvehicle]

Only once.

Your demonstrated practice denies this.

you made a mistake . . .but do not worry . . .God died for your mistakes . . so that I can accept it and correct you . . .with the evidence of the opposite.

Here, you would need to define, and demonstrate, the "mistake" you claim I have made before you could honestly claim to be "correcting" it. Further, you would need to demonstrate the mere existence of this 'god' of yours before you might honestly claim that it died for my mistakes.

I eagerly await your doing so.

well it should not be a problem . . .as lack of understanding has an obvious remedy.

Love Johan

The "obvious remedy" for your lack of understanding of the meaning of the word, "screed" (as with your lack of understanding of the meaning of the word, "superstition") is for you to understand how, and why, the words are being used. That is a remedy you, and only you, can undertake.

 

[Slowvehicle]

You should allow me to finish my argument . . .only then can you judge it. Speaking before that will have you blunder like you did. . .But do not worry . . God died for all your blunders . . .so no problem . .that is to me . . I will just help you with it . . .as God is helper.

Love Johan

You continue to make unsupported assertions about the behaviour (and nature) of a 'god', for the existence of which you have offered not the least bit of evidence.

When do you intend to offer actual, practical, empirical, objective, non-anecdotal, testable evidence for the mere existence (to say nothing of the puissance) of this 'god' of yours?

 

[Slowvehicle]

You, missing it, can not judge it . . but do not worry . . God died for your sins so that I can forgive you . . .and obviously Him too. You are forgiven!

Love Johan

You continue to make assertions about the actions and nature of a 'god' for which you continue to fail to offer the least bit of evidence.

When do you intend to rectify this omission?

Save your "forgiveness", and make with the evidence instead.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Have you seen God fighting?

Love Johan

This is a false dichotomy.

Further, one cannot "see" something that has not been demonstrated to exist failing to do something...

 

[Slowvehicle]

Interesting . . .I would like to see your argument.

Love Johan

1. There is no independent evidence of the "exodus" story--history does not record that Egypt was ever raped and plundered as the "bible" claims.

2. There is no evidence at all for the "flood" story, a tale about a cataclysm that would, had it have happened, inevitable have left a flood of evidences.

3. There is no independent historical record of the "conquest" of Canaan.

4. There is no independent historical record of the events of the "nativity" (including, for instance, the "Slaughter of the Innocents".

...and so forth. The "bible" cannot, in any way, be said to be an historically accurate record.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Well you know about "charitable" so you have to do it . . .if you want to be "good"

So where does peace resides?

yep

I am here . . .and I exist . . .

Love Johan

You have failed even to address, much less answer, the question. How can such a dishonest evasion be considered an act of "love"?

 

[Slowvehicle]

here I am.

In what way does this comprise actual, practical, empirical, non-anecdotal, objective evidence for the existence (to say nothing of the puissance) of the 'god' of which you prattle?

 

[Belz...]

To whom is interested.

I'm very interested. The prospect of living forever is very appealing.

Firstly . . brother because the God of love included everyone . . .yep . . you too . . .but do not worry . . .you can exclude yourself.

Are you now trying to present evidence for god? Because this isn't it.

Your post is just a long love letter to the sky daddy. If you want to convince me, and you should, given the stakes, you'll have to tell me something I've never heard before, because I heard it all and there's nothing that points to the existence of any god, or the supernatural, so far.

Ok . .I have started . . .but obviously there are lots more but not wanting to give too much again . . .

You really haven't.

Tell you what, start with this: present one thing in our reality that CANNOT be explained physically; that requires supernatural intervention, and you'll have a start.

 

[Belz...]

no I would not as they were not wrong. They were growing . . .to understand better.

They weren't wrong? The Egyptians believed in multiple gods, one of which created a whole race of men with his semen. What does it take for you to call them wrong?

My method is not to know . . .but to be.

Twaddle.

 

[Belz...]

you missed the fact that I said . . .it was given him as a gift from God.

So you claim, but I'm yet to see anything beyond a claim. But the point is that humans CAN do this by your own admission.

ADVICE: Please stop flooding the thread with dozens of small posts answering everybody you lay your eyes on. It disrupts the flow of the thread. Group your replies together and try not to repeat yourself.

You, missing it, can not judge it . . but do not worry . . God died for your sins so that I can forgive you . . .and obviously Him too. You are forgiven!

God didn't die. Even in the story he doesn't actually die. He's immortal. He just make-believe died to convince himself to change his own rules. Does that make sense to you?

 

[Shalamar]

Ok so you created everything. Good .. .maybe you can restore for us some of the things we messed up

Sorry. Free will and all that. YOU mess up, YOU fix it. You lot are pretty good at screwing things up, but not so good at putting it all back.

So . . .was I wrong about your thoughts?

You are wrong about a great many things.

Yep . . .I tried and gave up . . but there were some . . .not you . . that gave me a helping hand . . .you can learn from them.

But I am not angry . . .I forgive you.

Love Johan

You may forgive me, but that's your prerogative. I gave you life and free will, and if this is how you choose to spend it, well, perhaps other people will do better.

Bacon is Love.

 

[Belz...]

Bacon is Love.

It sure is.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Bacon is Love.

I'm a vegetarian...but I am ba-curious.

 

[Crossbow]

You are welcome to think you are "excellent" in it . . can you give me perhaps an example . . .

Love Johan

I provide yourself as an example of the excellent judgement of humans.

After all, it is due to the excellent judgement of humans that you are able make your various pronouncements to everyone on the Forum within seconds of making such pronouncements.

 

[bruto]

Give me a link.



yep . . God is God . . .well said.



yep . . .good seeing.



yep ... there are two sides to the story.





Thanks . . .learning English is not a bad idea. . .but I agree with you . . .it is not that important and you could have skipped it as it is not too important for the understanding of what I am trying to bring. But as you are "helper" (helping me with quotes and English)you are welcome.

Love Johan

In post 228 you state that "Only human beings fight."

In post 252 I asked when that alteration of nature had occurred.

Post 321 is the one to which you are responding now.

In post 335 you responded to my post 252 with a reply that to me makes no sense at all as it does not relate to the question asked.

In post 346 I responded to your 335.

If I were you I would not worry about my English, which is not bad, but about whether I am making sense. It is, undoubtedly, confusing and time consuming to try to respond to so many things at once. When you step into a hornets' nest, you get a lot of hornets! I think as Argumemnon suggests, you'd do better to stop and get organized, rather than trying to address all comers one at a time. That way, perhaps, you can spend more time explaining and less correcting.

edit to add: in case you had not noticed, when you use the "quote" function in a reply, the quoted message at the top includes the name of the person quoted, and a little arrow that directs you to the post that's being quoted. If you use that arrow, it takes you back, and if that post is a quoted response, you'll get another quote box with another arrow in it, and so forth. Thus, if you're ever in doubt about how a statement came to be, you can backtrack through those links. It can be time consuming, but it allows you to reconstruct a thread, and if something has gone awry or been misunderstood, it can give you an idea of where.