Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[MikeG]

Have you seen God.........

No one has. It's a figment of the imagination of some Arab goat herders in the bronze age middle east.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Which one is the real one? This is a rhetorical question, We all know it's FSM.

You mean . . . you . . .as for "we all" . . .obviously a mistake from your side . . .but do not worry . . .God died for your sins so that we all that believe that can forgive you . . together with Him . . .and accept you with us . . .the forgiving ones. We . . . .the helping ones . . including also God obviously . . .will just help you with your mistakes. Thus you will grow . .into Gods life . . . and become more and more Him . . .till you can look Him in the eyes . . .fully grown.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

Mangled the quote function again did we?

yep . . .but . . .feels good to see that you see. Love in action. To see and understand and not condemn for trying and falling. But sticking out a helping hand . . .as God is helper.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

God is a concept by which we measure our pain

Too you . . but to me . .. my Father.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

That's what I said.
Every theist in history has "known" that their god existed, and yet you'd agree that they were all wrong except those who worshipped your god...

no I would not as they were not wrong. They were growing . . .to understand better.

how do you know that they're wrong and you're right if your method is the exact same as theirs?

My method is not to know . . .but to be.
and I am here for you to see . . . me.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

My God just kicked the ass of your God.

Therefore, my God is a better god than your God.

Nope my God turns the other cheek . . . so tell your god he can kick again.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

To me this always poses a contradiction.

A truly loving god would not need a religion, after all, it would love it's creation and therefore anything we do is good and thus there is no need for any of the trappings of the many earthly religions.
So if you truly believe god is good and loving, there is no need to preach, no need to convert, no need to convince and certainly no need to proscribe things, as god loves all.

On the other hand, the 'love' described in the torah, bible and koran (and maybe other religions, but I don't know those that well), to me always comes across as the love of an abusive, drunk parent. Sure, that parent loves you, provided you follow all the rules and meekly accept getting beaten if she/he is drunk and angry so they can forgive you for bruising their fists the next day. And those that preach this 'love' always come across as the older siblings that have just accepted this state of being and now tell the rest how to get beaten as little as possible.

Well said . . .my Father has no rules and no religion . . .and therefor we cannot do anything wrong. But for others He did create direction . . . for those rejecting Him as Father to know something of living correctly. Those that preach like that obviously are those that has not accepted Him as Father and are guided by the other way of . . . .putting your hand in a fire . . feel the burn . .and keep away from the fire. . . .but there was a law that told them not to put their hand in the fire in the first place.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

Ah, it's a classic:

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/zsH6T1D.jpg[/qimg]

Well actually God did not sent his son to die while He was enjoying life. He died himself.

And He did die for you to have a better life. But if you do not want it . . sure you can stay in your bad one . . .which compared to His good one is hell.

So it is not what is said in the picture . . that something worse will happen if you do not open . . .nope . . .everything will just stay the same . . .for you.

No force . . you choose.

But for you to be able to choose . . .there has to be two options . . and for two options there has to be someone that tell you about the other option.

So if you want to be wise . . .listen carefully to the second option.

Love Johan

 

[fagin]

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http://johanabrahams.pnyhost.com/New Revelations.html
(Go there to Worthy Christian Forums - the latest one and the best captured by me)

Finally, the point.

 

[Thor 2]

Is there ever going to be and end to this drivel?

Seven posts in a row ending in "Love Johan" but non of them addressing questions put.

Just a load of meaningless preaching.

 

[MikeG]

About 20 unanswered posts, too. When does this count as "flooding"?

 

[Johanabrahams]

Maff(ia) love.

Glad you can see it . . . .that is not the real Jesus.

 

[Johanabrahams]

In her fantastic monologue "Letting Go Of God" about her journey from devoted Catholic to atheist, Julia Sweeney says that while she was in the middle of having her doubts she started to think for the first time about Jesus atoning for everybody's sins and it occurred to her that a lot of people on Earth have suffered a lot more than he did - she cites her brother's long battle with cancer. She came to the conclusion that Jesus "had a bad weekend for our sins".

Well we were not there . . . but if she was speaking about what we read about it in the Bible . . .then obviously that can not be described as " a bad weekend"
But that is what "doubt" do . . .and we have all experienced "doubt" . .. but do not worry . . God does not doubt . . .He is the solution to that bad experience which even attack your thinking capabilities it seems.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

I'm sure I saw a documentary recently with him doing a bit of fighting. It was called Thor if you're interested.

Nope . . that is another one. . . . one of those humans created

According to this he was a bit of a knob.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon

Managed to wreck the whole kingdom? Sounds like his ability to judge was a bit rubbish, quite frankly.

But you missed the very important fact stated there . . .that it was after he turned his back on the God who gave him his gift. But do not worry . . .God will not judge you for it as He died for your lack of "seeing" and therefor you are forgiven. But I am helper as God is my Father and Helper . . .and will open your eyes . . .by the gift of Jesus.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

I asked you to make sense and you throw a self-contradictory post at me.

If humans are doing it, then they have the ability to do so.

nope they do not have the ability . . .because if you have it you will not make mistakes. They try because the have heard about it. . . and saw it being done. But how it really works . . .they do not know.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

But that's not what you said earlier, was it?

Give me a link.

And what did you actually say here anyway? To say God does not fight is to say nothing except that God is God. A god that can destroy cities and cause plagues and flood the earth does not need to fight, of course.

yep . . God is God . . .well said.

And if there's only one god, then obviously he does not have to fight his equals, for there are none.

yep . . .good seeing.

When I spray a hornets' nest with insecticide I'm not exactly fighting either, but that does not make me the good guy (at least from a hornet's standpoint).

yep ... there are two sides to the story.

And by the way, not to be too nitpicky, but the singular of "species" is "species."

Thanks . . .learning English is not a bad idea. . .but I agree with you . . .it is not that important and you could have skipped it as it is not too important for the understanding of what I am trying to bring. But as you are "helper" (helping me with quotes and English)you are welcome.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

The Bible is not a history book.

Interesting . . .I would like to see your argument.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

Well, you are quite wrong.

Humans do have an excellent ability to judge and that is a big part of the reason why you are able to say otherwise now.

You are welcome to think you are "excellent" in it . . can you give me perhaps an example . . .

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

He was a human. Therefore humans have that ability.

you missed the fact that I said . . .it was given him as a gift from God. Meaning he didn't have it.

Second contradiction.

Because you missed a very important fact you judge wrongly given evidence to your inability to judge.

In fact, I'd say, based on your "history book" (snicker) that humans are actually better at judgment than god.

Tell us more.

Love Johan

 

[Johanabrahams]

As an opening bid, you have failed to demonstrate that "every specie[sic]" (I will be charitable, and assume you mean 'species') "fight".

Well you know about "charitable" so you have to do it . . .if you want to be "good"

So where does peace resides?

Even the "specie[sic]" that do fight, only have the capacity for "fighting" because they do, in fact, demonstrably exist.

yep

Whether you believe your 'god' "fights" is immaterial, unless and until you demonstrate, with concrete, practical, testable, objective, non-anecdotal evidence, that your 'god' actually exists.

I am here . . .and I exist . . .

Love Johan