The Valley of the Wood Apes

[Garrette]

All I can say is that you are suggesting not only is NAWAC making up stories that seem to support the idea of wood apes, they are also making up stories that discredit the very idea they're trying to establish. I appreciate your thoughts, even if I must disagree.

Those stories are discrediting only for those who view them skeptically, just as you yourself pointed out in a post of yours I have already quoted. To those who already believe or already game, they are gold nuggets.

We can agree to disagree, fine; I don't consider this significant enough to fall on a sword over, so I'll leave it at the following comments and give you the last word.

In each of your replies to me you have completely failed to address any of the substance. You do not discuss my comments about discerning a "prone sniper position." You do not discuss my comments about a flashlight revealing red eyes. You do not discuss even your own comments about crafting a story that is disseminated only to believers and not to others.

Your disagreement, therefore, is not equivalent to my analysis, even if I agree that we can disagree.

I'll finish with this: I do not dispute there are true believers. I am addressing only the specific stories you brought up here; they are made up, disagreement or not.

 

[LTC8K6]

Hoofprints would be common in that area and probably overlooked as an explanation for a boogeyman visit.

There were puma tracks found under the house, another possible culprit that makes more sense than a giant ape of unknown type and origin.

Horses commonly stood close enough to the windows of houses in the area to stick their head in...?

Such that hoof prints right under the windows would go unremarked after a monster sighting event involving those very windows?

That seems unlikely.

Even you described the "peeking in windows" horse as unusual.

 

[jerrywayne]

Horses commonly stood close enough to the windows of houses in the area to stick their head in...?

Such that hoof prints right under the windows would go unremarked after a monster sighting event involving those very windows?

That seems unlikely.

Even you described the "peeking in windows" horse as unusual.

It was a farm.

 

[jerrywayne]

Colyer's latest interview.

He says he didn't kill the wood ape he shot because he was using a shot gun and, "even the blood spatters that we found were indicative of a shallow buckshot wound. So I’m positive I didn’t hit him with anything but the first round. So that’s why I didn’t take it down."

I remember at the time he claimed to have emptied his shotgun on the animal, and a slug, not buckshot, was his first round.

http://www.dietiefe.com/?p=1441

 

[Resume]

Colyer's latest interview.

He says he didn't kill the wood ape he shot because he was using a shot gun and, "even the blood spatters that we found were indicative of a shallow buckshot wound. So I’m positive I didn’t hit him with anything but the first round. So that’s why I didn’t take it down."

I remember at the time he claimed to have emptied his shotgun on the animal, and a slug, not buckshot, was his first round.

http://www.dietiefe.com/?p=1441

The NAWAC is small non-profit organization composed of volunteer citizen scientists . . .

No, you aren't. You are storytellers.

And we’ve managed to find these things . . .

Not according to anyone but yourselves. You are telling stories.

How can the Department of Fish and Game, the Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service, the Department of the Interior, how can they not notice? I just don’t know . . .

I know, as do most people.

The Forestry Service, which is different from the National Park Service, told us the same thing: “This is ridiculous, we’re not gonna let you in here to capture of photo of a bigfoot, because Bigfoot is silly. It doesn’t exist.”

They are giving you very good advice.

The Ouachita Mountains are located in Arkansas and Oklahoma and are geologically very old. It’s extremely rocky terrain and has dense forest. Much of the range is impassable, particularly for humans on feet . . .

Yet humans have inhabited the area for thousands of years. None of them produced a bigfoot, either.

I have seen them in person. The Patterson image looks just like that. At the same time, these things are capable of things that humans can only dream of. They’d beat the most advanced athlete in the world.

This is a very detailed description jerrywayne, do you believe it? Did he mid-id a bear? A boar? A spot?

. . . It has just remained in the shadows . . . I think that’s what we’re dealing with. Even though you think that North America is settled and it is, the Western half of North America is, by European standards, very scarcely populated. There is just a ton of space. Millions and millions and millions of acres of forest and land, mountains where people don’t live.

Well, you're there. Does he think the NAWACers are the only humans in the region?

You came very close to the NAWAC’s goal. In 2011 you shot at an alleged Bigfoot (the report can be read here). So far, NAWAC researchers have shot twice at purported wood apes. But no bodies were recovered. Why?

Because they didn't shoot at wood monkeys. They are telling stories.

 

[Drewbot]

I think the claim was Buckshot followed by slugs.

That is a typical deer hunting combo, buckshot up close, and then if it runs, you can put a slug toward it as it runs.

 

[Garrette]

Colyer's latest interview.

He says he didn't kill the wood ape he shot because he was using a shot gun and, "even the blood spatters that we found were indicative of a shallow buckshot wound. So I’m positive I didn’t hit him with anything but the first round. So that’s why I didn’t take it down."

I remember at the time he claimed to have emptied his shotgun on the animal, and a slug, not buckshot, was his first round.

http://www.dietiefe.com/?p=1441

And do you think he believes what he said?

 

[Resume]

I think the claim was Buckshot followed by slugs.

That is a typical deer hunting combo, buckshot up close, and then if it runs, you can put a slug toward it as it runs.

I wonder if these jokers purchase an OK small game license before they're winging away at dots running up a hillside? I wonder if the OK Fish & Wildlife service knows these nimrods are winging away at dots running up a hillside? I wonder how OK F&G would react when a NAWACer says "Oh no occifer, we was just shootin' at an Wood Ape . . ." ?

Once possible out would be to claim they were shooting at hogs, which is what they were probably doing, if the stories about the shootings were actually true. They'd still need a license though, even for hogs.

 

[Drewbot]

Once possible out would be to claim they were shooting at hogs, which is what they were probably doing, if the stories about the shootings were actually true. They'd still need a license though, even for hogs.

In Michigan you have to have a license to hunt wild hogs. No limit, no size restrictions, just must have a deer or small game license.

Also: Note this Michigan law, wonder if Oklahoma has a similar statute.
752.863a Reckless, wanton use or negligent discharge of firearm; penalty.
Sec. 3. Any person who shall recklessly or heedlessly or wilfully or wantonly use, carry, handle or discharge any firearm
without due caution and circumspection for the rights, safety or property of others shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

 

[Resume]

In Michigan you have to have a license to hunt wild hogs. No limit, no size restrictions, just must have a deer or small game license.

Another interesting little item from the Colyer interview was that the NPS, Fish and Game, and the Forest Service all dismissed the NAWAC wood-monkey claims as "ridiculous."

My guess is that has something to do with these government entities are composed of bureaucrats, who are content to just draw a paycheck and get off work at 5pm and that’s it. It would be probably a bloody nightmare for them to have to manage this kind of species that suddenly appeared on the radar.

Yep, those folks that have vastly more field experience in general, and in the region in particular, simply dismiss footie so they can get off work at 5 and head over to Big Angie's for a beer.

If there’s a conspiracy I think it is more down on a micro-level, or just individuals don’t want to talk about it. Maybe a local field officer puts out a memo “you get reports of this thing, just throw it in the trash” or whatever.

Yep, they just throw the reports of the most significant biological find of the millennia right in the trash.

How silly.

 

[carlitos]

You have to ask yourself why Brown would admit to such an inconclusive sighting in the first place, if he was making it up.

That's why they are called "confidence men." They say things to gain your confidence. Your logic here is similar to biblical apologists who ask why the bible would include stories unflattering to Jesus.

 

[LTC8K6]

It was a farm.

Farmers, or people who live around horses, thought a horse peeking in a window was a bigfoot? Even with it known that a horse in the area typically did that?

I'm no farmer, and there are no horses anywhere near my house, but I don't know how loopy I'd have to get to fail to recognize a horse looking in my window. Even in the dead of night.

Even if it initially scared the bejesus out of me, I'd soon realize that I saw a horse.

 

[Garrette]

Farmers, or people who live around horses, thought a horse peeking in a window was a bigfoot? Even with it known that a horse in the area typically did that?

I'm no farmer, and there are no horses anywhere near my house, but I don't know how loopy I'd have to get to fail to recognize a horse looking in my window. Even in the dead of night.

Even if it initially scared the bejesus out of me, I'd soon realize that I saw a horse.

As someone who has never personally owned horses but has grown up with them and still has relatives with them, and as someone who has ridden them quite a bit and been around them at night, I can confirm this.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

This isn't done because the guys with guns at the cabin know that the thrower is human. They know it's a pretend thing and they are not naive or credulous. There will never be a kill shot because they know it's a person and not a Bigfoot.

It's not even remotely believable at all anymore. The "we didn't shoot because..." line is almost a punchline to a worn out joke at this point, the year 2017.

Any remaining Bigfoot believers, and I mean those remaining few who actually believe, at this point are either mentally retarded or genuinely mentally disabled, and I mean that seriously.

Bigfoot belief, be it real or pretend, isn't even funny anymore, it's kind of just like, "really, mate?
You're still doing this crap?"

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

This is more hogwash by those who are either play-acting non-believers or believers who have no compunction fabricating or embellishing in order to convince others of their belief. But I will retract that last bit; I think it more likely that they are not trying to convince others of the reality of bigfoot but rather the reality of the believers' tough guy status.

At this point it's just a boring gang of ass-hats who literally have nothing better to do with their lives than repetitively beat a dead horse to death with the skeleton of an ancient joke that nobody even remembers the punchline to.

I'd genuinely love to have a sit-down meeting with a few of these ass-hats to just generally ask them about their lives and what on earth could be lacking for them to continue playing the single most boring game of make-believe that this world has ever had the unfortunate fate of witnessing.

 

[William Parcher]

This is a curious neighborhood horse?...

Despite claims of earlier sightings, the Fouke Monster first made headlines in 1971, when it was reported to have attacked the home of Bobby and Elizabeth Ford late on the night of May 1.

According to Elizabeth Ford, the creature, which she initially took to be a bear, reached through a screen window while she was sleeping on a couch. It was chased away by her husband and his brother Don, who were returning from a hunting trip. The creature returned shortly after midnight (Sunday, May 2), when it was reported to have grabbed Bobby Ford across the shoulders as he stood on the porch, throwing him to the ground. Bobby managed to crawl free from the creature and was later treated at St. Michael Hospital in Texarkana, Arkansas, for scratches across his back. He was suffering from mild shock when he arrived.

During the encounters, the Fords fired several shots at the creature and believed that they had hit it, though no traces of blood were found. An extensive search of the area failed to locate the creature, but three-toed footprints were found close to the house, scratch marks on the porch, and some damage to a window and the house's siding...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouke_Monster

 

[Drewbot]

I think these photos look a lot like the suit in the MOMMA BABY Bigfoot video that Norseman posted on BFF

http://woodape.org/index.php/about-bigfoot/articles/220-oklahoma-prairie-photos

 

[Drewbot]

Remember how great the comments on the Doubtful News article about NAWAC were?

http://doubtfulnews.com/2015/03/fou...ma-yields-intriguing-and-unexplained-results/

I’m finding very little value in the comments at this point. Each has their sides. Sorry to disappoint the hardline Bigfoot skeptics but I still want to find out more about this report.

If you have more gripes about how “off” this post was to the point where you feel I’m being paid to say it, feel free to email the editor because such utter ad hom **** does not belong here.

Was that directed at you, or me, Parcher?

* note, i think some comments have been deleted

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Remember how great the comments on the Doubtful News article about NAWAC were?

http://doubtfulnews.com/2015/03/fou...ma-yields-intriguing-and-unexplained-results/


Was that directed at you, or me, Parcher?

* note, i think some comments have been deleted

Any time I see IDoubtIt post, I'm basically just waiting for the apologetics to spew out. It's like even she's so bloody bored of the complete lack of Bigfoot news that she's ironically willing to give the benefit of the doubt to something as truly ridiculous as this "wood ape conservation" bollocks.

Has anyone ever tried to find out what these balding virgins are actually doing on this piece of land? It's like the Hell-Fire Club, where they used the occult and satanism as a cover for what they were really up to, which was essentially just getting drunk and banging the local farmer's under-aged daughter.

 

[William Parcher]

Remember how great the comments on the Doubtful News article about NAWAC were?

http://doubtfulnews.com/2015/03/fou...ma-yields-intriguing-and-unexplained-results/



Was that directed at you, or me, Parcher?

* note, i think some comments have been deleted

The person named "Parcher" who is commenting on her blog is not me. I think there may have been other times when this person also used "William Parcher" on her blog. I conversed in private with Sharon to let her know that it isn't me. She acknowledged that it's an imposter.

When she made the comment you quoted, she probably did think that that was me. It was clarified to not be me a couple months later.

I don't know why someone would choose to impersonate me. It was also done at the Bigfoot Evidence website, but that may have been a different person.