Merged All things Trump + Russia

[skyeagle409]

It doesn't matter what Mr. Reality, Mr. Facts, and Mr. Evidence say.

In this case, it does.

Intel report: Putin directly ordered effort to influence election

Washington (CNN)The US intelligence community concluded in a declassified report released Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an "influence campaign" aimed at hurting Hillary Clinton and helping Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/intelligence-report-putin-election/


Putin Ordered ‘Influence Campaign’ Aimed at U.S. Election, Report Says

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have concluded that the president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, personally “ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election,” and turned from seeking to “denigrate” Hillary Clinton to developing “a clear preference for President-elect Trump.”

The conclusions were part of a declassified intelligence report, ordered by President Obama, that was released on Friday. Its main determinations were described to Mr. Trump by the nation’s top intelligence officials earlier in the day, and he responded by acknowledging, for the first time, that Russia had sought to hack into the Democratic National Committee’s computer systems. But he insisted that the effort had no effect on the election, and he said nothing about the conclusion that Mr. Putin, at some point last year, decided to aid his candidacy.

The report, a damning and surprisingly detailed account of Russia’s efforts to undermine the American electoral system and Mrs. Clinton in particular, went on to assess that Mr. Putin had “aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/russia-hack-report.html?_r=0

 

[alfaniner]

Ha ha! Politicians attacking each other!* That's unheard of. It's an outrage!

And, as we all know, the US has never attempted to influence the outcome of an election anywhere in the world and certainly not a Russian one.

Let's go to war!

[/SARCASM]

Get a grip on reality, folks!



* BTW: Please provide an example of Putin attacking Hillary Clinton before the election.


'Stephen Cohen: This is Most Dangerous Moment in U.S.-Russian Relations Since Cuban Missile Crisis':

Not having a date on the original video makes it difficult to put in context.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Not having a date on the original video makes it difficult to put in context.

Perhaps I can assist you.

The original on YouTube

Published on Apr 13, 2017 http://democracynow.org - Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has wrapped up a visit to Moscow, where he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. The meetings come at a time of increased tension between Washington and Moscow. On Wednesday during a press conference, President Trump said relations with Russia had reached a new low point. Trump’s comments came a day after the White House accused Russia of attempting to cover up the role of the Syrian government in the recent chemical attack in Syria that killed 87 people. Russia has rejected the claim, saying the U.S. has been too quick to blame Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. We speak to Stephen Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University.

Which comes from a story on Democracy Now: Stephen Cohen: This is Most Dangerous Moment in U.S.-Russian Relations Since Cuban Missile Crisis

The transcript of the story is at the link.

 

[Mike!]

Strange names for brothers. Four different fathers, perhaps?

Miss Information slept around a lot.

 

[Trebuchet]

Can we please return the thread to Trump & Russia, instead of Iraq & WWII?

 

[snoop_doxie]

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Mr. Reality, and his brothers, Mr. Facts, Mr. Evidence, and Mr. Intelligence, do not agree with you.

Strange names for brothers. Four different fathers, perhaps?

Miss Information slept around a lot.

Well done.

 

[skyeagle409]

Just like the leader of a certain country today is emboldened by the lack of appropriate military action against his violations. But what can the rest of the World do when he has more nukes than anyone else, and isn't afraid to use them?

Putin should know there would be a nuke with his name on it should he become foolish enough to make himself a candidate for vaporization. There are ways to deal with Putin.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Putin should know there would be a nuke with his name on it should he become foolish enough to make himself a candidate for vaporization. There are ways to deal with Putin.

No fan of appeasement of dictators myself. However, I cannot see how the above is within the realm of reasonable possibilities.

 

[JihadJane]

The best of intentions, in this case, had resulted in the loss of millions because violations committed by the fox @ the chicken coop were ignored for several years until it was too late. The now well-fed and strengthen fox began to tenaciously attack those who waited too long to take care of business when the fox was weak with hunger.

Putin is trying to spread his influence in ways that will be a challenge for the U.S. in the future.

Aw.... poor USA. Someone might be able to put a minor block on its ambitions for rampant global hegemony in the future.

 

[JihadJane]

Putting soldiers in a sovereign country counts as an invasion in my book.

Has the USA invaded Syria, then?

But you're so utterly pro-Putin that this conversation isn't really about evidence, is it?

Any accusation against Russia, you'll dismiss. It's ideological.

Great get-out clause you've got there!

I haven't said anything pro-Putin in this thread.

And "evidence" is interspeak for "no evidence", I suppose? Again, you don't give a rat's ass about evidence. All you care about is the "side" you're on.



See?

You have misrepresented regurgitated speculation as concrete evidence.

 

[Belz...]

Has the USA invaded Syria, then?

Are they there on request from the state?

Great get-out clause you've got there!

What are you babbling about?

I haven't said anything pro-Putin in this thread.

Great get-out clause you've got there!

You have misrepresented regurgitated speculation as concrete evidence.

Again, what are you talking about? You're not even making arguments, here.

 

[JihadJane]

Are they there on request from the state?

Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation.

Are you saying that the USA has invaded Syria?

What are you babbling about?

Your plucked-out-of-thin-air,"it's ideological" catch phrase.

Great get-out clause you've got there!

You're welcome to point out where I have said anything pro-Putin.

Again, what are you talking about? You're not even making arguments, here.

I am talking about the "evidence" you posted. It contains no concrete evidence to suggest that the popular 'Putin hacked the election' meme is anything more than a conspiracy theory.

 

[Belz...]

Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation.

After the invasion, yes. And this is relevant how?

Are you saying that the USA has invaded Syria?

I asked you a question in order to find the answer, but you surprisingly didn't answer it.

Your plucked-out-of-thin-air,"it's ideological" catch phrase.

No, I plucked it out of my experience with your posts.

I am talking about the "evidence" you posted. It contains no concrete evidence to suggest that the popular 'Putin hacked the election' meme is anything more than a conspiracy theory.

Except for all the circumstantial evidence we DO have, and the evidence that has led the CIA and NSA to claim that something DID happen. Why do you ignore all that, I wonder?

 

[pgwenthold]

Exxon has asked for an exemption from the economic sanctions to do business in Russia.

Will the Trump administration allow it? Just what they need to do, right? Give Russia some favorable treatment in exchange for all Russia has done for them....

 

[Stacko]

Exxon has asked for an exemption from the economic sanctions to do business in Russia.

Will the Trump administration allow it? Just what they need to do, right? Give Russia some favorable treatment in exchange for all Russia has done for them....

It's been denied.

 

[Belz...]

It's just been revoked!

 

[Darth Rotor]

Citgo: look at who owns the debt on it and what country owns most of the shares, and who looks to be in default. Then look at how much oil/petrol infrastructure in the US has Citgo's hands on it.

Curiouser and Curiouser, said Alice.

The attached link is not the kind of in depth reporting I prefer, but a few of my friends who work at Citgo are concerned.

 

[jimbob]

Citgo: look at who owns the debt on it and what country owns most of the shares, and who looks to be in default. Then look at how much oil/petrol infrastructure in the US has Citgo's hands on it.

Curiouser and Curiouser, said Alice.

The attached link is not the kind of in depth reporting I prefer, but a few of my friends who work at Citgo are concerned.

Related but different: From badscience:
( Link is gruniad)

More Rosneft, with added Venezuala

A Venezuelan state-owned oil company, heavily indebted to the Russian oil giant Rosneft, made a $500,000 donation to Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities, it has emerged.

Foreign donations are banned under US law, but the Venezuelan company, PdVSA, made the donation through a US affiliate, Citgo Petrol, soon after offering a nearly 50% stake in Citgo to Rosneft as collateral for a $1.5bn loan.

These transactions come at a time when PdVSA and the Venezuelan government of Nicolas Maduro is desperate for cash as oil revenues shrink and civil unrest grows. The influx of money from Rosneft is helping keep PdVSA and Maduro afloat.

 

[JihadJane]

After the invasion, yes. And this is relevant how?

I wanted to understand what your definition of what an invasion is. Seems you are confusing incursions with invasion.

I asked you a question in order to find the answer, but you surprisingly didn't answer it.





No, I plucked it out of my experience with your posts.



Except for all the circumstantial evidence we DO have, and the evidence that has led the CIA and NSA to claim that something DID happen. Why do you ignore all that, I wonder?

Because one of the intelligence agencies' primary function is to propagandise for the Deep State. The CIA and NSA have not claimed that something DID happen. They have expressed "high confidence" that it could have happened.

 

[Belz...]

I wanted to understand what your definition of what an invasion is. Seems you are confusing incursions with invasion.

They sent military personel to establish a military presence in a foreign country and wrest control of a territory from them.

I'd call that more than an incursion. But keep playing with words, sure.

Because one of the intelligence agencies' primary function is to propagandise for the Deep State.

I didn't ask you to make stuff up. I asked you for exactly the standard of evidence you were asking for. Now you're down to making wild claims and expecting me to take you on your word when you would not do the same for professional organisations.

I'll remind you that the CIA is not at the beck and call of the President, for instance. You seem to be under the impression that government is a monolithic organisation composed of robots.

The CIA and NSA have not claimed that something DID happen. They have expressed "high confidence" that it could have happened.

Playing with words, again.