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[Marcus]

Good find! I can confirm that is me. The scary thing is, i would not have remembered that if you had not found it. Funny that I called myself Markie even back then. Mark and Marcus were taken no doubt.

As a fellow Marcus, I still want to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are on the level and not a shill. Surely all the historical references have given you pause? When you look at Mill's behavior, does it really resemble that of a scientist or a conman?

 

[markie]

Mills will repeat his cycle of always finding one more problem just before going into production until he dies of old age. After that someone else will take up the torch and keep the hope going, either by literally taking over the company or by exploiting the fact that the patents are, by and large, invalid.

Markie will die believing a Hydrino breakthrough is "just around the corner."

Don't be so sure. Given the evidence, I have changed my belief system fundamentally over the years on different things.

 

[hecd2]

And on the contrary, Mills has been incredibly productive over 12 years, attempting different iterations of hydrino generation techniques. Unfortunately each one had at least one shortfall or problem that thwarted commercialization.

The biggest shortfall or problem faced by Mills is, of course, the non-existence of hydrinos, a problem which no amount of tinkering will ever solve. You have a funny definition of productive.

And, don't forget, Mills claims have been indeed been verified and validated by many different scientists.

Ah yes, the typical religious response - repeating claims ad nauseam that have been thoroughly debunked over and over again. (If your statement were true, Mills would already be famous and in line for a Nobel prize.)

The similarity to the Electric Universe woo is striking.

 

[Giordano]

As a fellow Marcus, I still want to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are on the level and not a shill. Surely all the historical references have given you pause? When you look at Mill's behavior, does it really resemble that of a scientist or a conman?

I would just add: markie if someone had promised you a check decades ago with similar delays and "explanations" for failure to pay would you not have gotten suspicious? How is Mill's behavior different from that of the long line of con artists who have promised a revolutionary new device and yet never quite managed to deliver even while taking in large sums of money?

 

[markie]

Could you provide links to the statements?

I could, but why?

 

[halleyscomet]

I could, but why?

Because it would prove you aren't making things up to waste our time.

 

[abaddon]

Apparently almost nothing can dis-suede me, and almost nothing will per-suede you.

And on the contrary, Mills has been incredibly productive over 12 years, attempting different iterations of hydrino generation techniques. Unfortunately each one had at least one shortfall or problem that thwarted commercialization.

And, don't forget, Mills claims have been indeed been verified and validated by many different scientists.

Orly? What has Mills produced? By your own claim, you have been a follower since 1999. What exactly has been produced?

There seems a dearth of anything productive at all. Care to disagree?

 

[halleyscomet]

Don't be so sure. Given the evidence, I have changed my belief system fundamentally over the years on different things.

I see no evidence that such an assertion is true.

 

[markie]

Alright then: why was there so much talk about the photovoltaic design if the steam engine design is the one that's going to be done first? Why did Mills put any effort at all into the photovoltaic design when there's still so much to be done with the basics?

The photovoltaic work is being done by one or two other companies. This does not preclude other approaches (like steam) from also being worked on, perhaps by other companies. And the 'basics' of reaction control and such continue to be developed.

Regarding the dome: the dome that was being discussed so far (for the photovoltaic design) was a graphite dome which was intended to maximize the output of visible light. For use in a steam engine, visible light output would be unimportant, so you could use some substance easier to do manufacturing with than graphite. So why waste time with designing a graphite dome if the first devices are going to be steam engines?

And about "closing the dome": is the problems with doing that a manufacturing issue, or an issues with needing to have a hole through which stuff can go in and out of the dome? If it's a manufacturing issue, wouldn't it become a lot less of a problem when they don't have to make the dome out of graphite? Or if it's the issues of needing a hole, can't they just put stick the end of a pipe against the hole and seal the whole against the pipe?

The graphite dome is already designed and in place. It's not the problem. A hole was put in the top of the dome to monitor and control the reaction manually, as well as to vent out the heat. When the hole is no longer necessary, the dome will be closed, and the system closed. The dome will presumably glow hot and the energy harvested one way or another.

 

[markie]

We already have both of those. It would be utterly trivial to convert coal and nuclear power stations into ones powered by this device.

I was referring to underdeveloped countries.

Yes coal and nuclear could be converted, but it is not trivial.

 

[markie]

...but it has a cooling system already on it. I've seen it. What does the cooling system do, if it doesn't move heat away from the device?

As far as I am aware, the relatively few pipes there were used in actively cooling the electromagnetic pump that moved the molten silver. It may have also been used to cool the underside of the dome so the silver vapour would condense at the bottom. No sure about that though.

 

[marplots]

This "closing the dome" bit sounds like a recipe for turning it into a bomb.

 

[markie]

So what about 2 years time will make you reassess your beliefs in a way that hasn't already occurred in the previous 12 years?

With the SunCell, the hydrino reaction is both power dense and sustainable. Previous iterations failed in one or the other aspects.

I should qualify. The short burst reaction in the SunCell is already provably power dense. Long term reactions (of hours) in the SunCell have already been performed, but at necessarily low power. When the dome is closed both the power density and the sustained reaction will - presumably - be attained. That will be the moment of truth. If that fails (without reasonable excuse), I will probably be disappointed enough to reassess my belief.

 

[markie]

If you understand how black body radiation works, you'll know that the graphite radiator will not be putting out a range of frequencies that the solar cells will be optimized to receive. There will be a lot of waste. Don't expect efficiency to be "even higher".

Recall I specifically said "useable" light. Admittedly, at lower temperatures there is less usable light, as current photovoltaic technology does not cover the infrared afaik.

 

[Reality Check]

With the SunCell, the hydrino reaction is both power dense and sustainable.....

A delusion about any "hydrino reaction" is very dense and has been sustained for decades !
There is no credible evidence that hydrinos exist. Almost 30 years of Mills incompetence, fantasies, ignorance and lies do not count as evidence.

 

[Reality Check]

And, don't forget, Mills claims have been indeed been verified and validated by many different scientists.

Repeating a lie does not make it true, markie. There has been no verification or validation of the existence of hydrinos by any scientists .
There have been several consultants paid to look at BLP experiments run at BPL by BLP. There have been a couple of runs of BLP apparatus at outside labs.

 

[halleyscomet]

Orly? What has Mills produced? By your own claim, you have been a follower since 1999. What exactly has been produced?



There seems a dearth of anything productive at all. Care to disagree?

Promises and press releases. A bloated valise of a book with a good deal of allegedly plagiarized content. Tens of millions of dollars in fundraising.

 

[markie]

So is the issue that they've got a prototype that produces large amounts of ultraviolet and soft X-ray radiation, but don't yet have a prototype which produces heat? Or that they can handcraft a prototype just fine, but are still figuring out how to mass produce the thing? Or maybe both of those issues?

They are still working out the prototype stage. Even at the current low power density stage, the UV and soft x-rays are partly converted to visible light and infrared by the silver vapour inside the dome.

 

[Matthew Cline]

The photovoltaic work is being done by one or two other companies. This does not preclude other approaches (like steam) from also being worked on, perhaps by other companies.

So BLP is solely working on the dome and its contents, and figuring out how to design devices that turn the output of the dome into something useful is being contracted out?

It's not the problem. A hole was put in the top of the dome to monitor and control the reaction manually, as well as to vent out the heat. When the hole is no longer necessary, the dome will be closed

So the issue of closing the dome is not a technical difficulty that has to be overcome to actually produce functioning devices?

Also, why is the dome being made of graphite? From what I understand graphite is rather brittle, making hard to shape into a dome, and also making it unsuitable for containing high pressures.

 

[markie]

Funny, but in this 2008 article Mills claimed:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/01/smallbusiness/blacklight.fsb/

For the first time in his company's 19 years of persistent trial and error, Mills says he has a market-ready product: a fuel cell that produces a chemical reaction to alter hydrogen atoms. The fuel cell releases heat that turns water into steam, which drives electric turbines.
The working models in his lab generate 50 kilowatts of electricity - enough to power six or seven houses. But these, Mills says, can be scaled to drive a large, electric power plant. The inventor claims this electricity will cost less than 2 cents per kilowatt-hour, which compares to a national average of 8.9 cents.

The article goes on to talk about the 20 generators they already had built.

That was a case where they at last had very good power density, but it didn't have the duration to ultimately be successful. As I recall, the reaction ultimately quenched and the recycling of the powder was problematic.