The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 24

[Stacyhs]

Not me, guv. You have misattributed the quote.

I would guess perhaps it is Stacyhs's quote, as her quote formatting doesn't seem to work.

Whoops! Sorry? You won't be taking Stacyhs to task? That's reserved for me, I take it.

No, dear. It was your quote he was referencing:

They were only caught at the scene at all because the police turned up by sheer coincidence.

(Vixen #3135)


As I said, even Massei conceded that Raff made the 112 call before the postal police arrived. So your statement is false.

 

[Vixen]

No, in fact they didn't. You're only including those who testified weakly for the prosecution. You keep ignoring that the Hellman court and the Marasca court both exonerated the pair. So you can keep playing this moronic game of lie and spin, but it doesn't change the facts. We're right and you're wrong.

And so the earth turns.

Maresca underpinned its report with the fact Amanda was present at the scene of the crime, washed off the victim's blood from her hands and covered up for Rudy.

What kind of a person is that?

 

[Vixen]

No, dear. It was your quote he was referencing:

(Vixen #3135)


As I said, even Massei conceded that Raff made the 112 call before the postal police arrived. So your statement is false.

No, we are talking about the sentence that begins, 'Ummm. No.' and which BiWi ripped to shreds firmly rapping me on the knuckles, as it were.

Not me, guv.

 

[Bill Williams]

It's telling, is it not, that the legal experts who were at the merits trial who saw and assessed the evidence and testimony, all came to the inescapable conclusion of the kids' guilt.

How coincidental that all the people claiming 'innocence' have barely moved from their armchairs and are 'Friends of Amanda Knox', who probably sucked up the bilge churned out by two-bit hack Nathaniel Rich fed on chewed grass by Mad Pax. Rubbish In Rubbish Out.

It is a complete mystery why you think these sorts of posts are persuasive.

I can see someone posting like this within the small-world echo chambers of the hate sites..... where dissent alone get one banned, but here?

 

[Vixen]

I don't believe you have a degree in anything.except fiction writing. I've never seen anyone claim to have knowledge about so many things and yet be so consistently full of it.

Stacyhs asked, and I answered.

 

[Bill Williams]

Maresca underpinned its report with the fact Amanda was present at the scene of the crime, washed off the victim's blood from her hands and covered up for Rudy.

What kind of a person is that?

Of course Amanda was at the scene of the crime. So was Raffaele. So were both of the postal police. So was Filomena.

Eventually even Mignini arrived at the scene of the crime, and as P.M. he lawfully, but incompetently, prevented the pathologist from taking the victim's body temperature, thus preventing anyone finding out the TOD.

We've been over this dozens of times, and you keep repeating your skewed version of what you believe M/B wrote. You believe that M/B really thought them guilty, but acquitted them from corruption, and then failed to cover up their corruption by writing, you believe, that they thought Knox was there.

So you have them as both corrupt AND stupid.

 

[Stacyhs]

The Kerchers have acted with great dignity and restraint at all times.

We did not see the Kerchers fooling around in the court room in skimpy shorts and vests taking selfies of each other. We didn't hear John Kercher bellowing abuse at the press.

I do think the Kerchers have behaved with dignity. However, on the other hand, their daughter and sister was not having her reputation and character dragged through the mud by the press and court. Their daughter and sister was not being called a murderer, a luciferina, evil, a slut, a thief, a liar, etc.

Nor was Meredith's sister a young teenager as were Amanda's, either.
I do find it hypocritical that you have an apoplectic fit whenever anyone dares to criticize the Kercher family in any way but you resort to making snide comments about Knox's little sisters. Shame on you.

 

[Welshman]

The Kerchers have acted with great dignity and restraint at all times.

We did not see the Kerchers fooling around in the court room in skimpy shorts and vests taking selfies of each other. We didn't hear John Kercher bellowing abuse at the press.

This post proves my point about the hypocrisy of the PGP. Vixen constantly attacks Amanda and Raffaele for lying but Vixen regards writing a book full of lies is dignified behaviour. Yet another example of Vixen supporting liars. Vixen claims members of Amanda's family were in the courtroom wearing skimpy clothing and taking selfies of each other. In view of the fact that Vixen has a long history of using falsehoods in her posts, can Vixen provide evidence of this.

 

[Vixen]

Actually, the outer shutters were pulled shut when Knox arrived at the cottage. It was the police who opened the outer shutters to the position in which they're shown in that photograph from some hours later.

And it's laughably easy to understand that Guede, having broken in by opening the (at that point barely ajar, per Romanelli's own testimony) outer shutters, breaking Romanelli's window, and climbing in, would close the outer shutters tight behind him once he was in the room - that would have served the incredibly useful (to Guede) dual purpose of 1) preventing anyone outside the cottage from seeing him through the window, and 2) preventing anyone from outside the cottage from seeing that the window pane was broken (which in itself would obviously be a cause for alarm, investigation or curiosity).

That's the conjecture. Now for the facts.

Battistelli testified the shutters were only partially open when he arrived (which matches Filomena's testimony), Rudy's DNA wasn't present (but Mez' blood and Amanda's DNA were mixed together (reps 176 and 177). Battistelli knew it was a staged burglary instantly based on this information as well as the resting position of the stone, together with the glass on top of the scantily scattered clothes strewn about. He told Sollecito that the burglary was simulated. There's a summary of his testimony in English at the Wiki, Though the Italian original gives more detail.

↑ The Giordano Sentencing Report, translated by members of http://Perugiamurderfile.org , says "... the judges of the lower courts have correctly held, that following the murder an activity occurred intended to simulate an attempted theft, which the judges of lower courts and the defense of the same appellant agree was an operation done by others and not by the defendant...", the defendant in this case being Rudy.

 

[Bill Williams]

The Kerchers have acted with great dignity and restraint at all times.

We did not see the Kerchers fooling around in the court room in skimpy shorts and vests taking selfies of each other. We didn't hear John Kercher bellowing abuse at the press.

It is also a mystery why you believe making sluttifying remarks about others is a way to defend the Kerchers.

You've praised the Kerchers for being dignified, imagine their horror at reading your comments about others.

Don't you ever think?

 

[Vixen]

Of course Amanda was at the scene of the crime. So was Raffaele. So were both of the postal police. So was Filomena.

Eventually even Mignini arrived at the scene of the crime, and as P.M. he lawfully, but incompetently, prevented the pathologist from taking the victim's body temperature, thus preventing anyone finding out the TOD.

We've been over this dozens of times, and you keep repeating your skewed version of what you believe M/B wrote. You believe that M/B really thought them guilty, but acquitted them from corruption, and then failed to cover up their corruption by writing, you believe, that they thought Knox was there.

So you have them as both corrupt AND stupid.

So you keep saying. You keep saying, yes, the kids were present at the murder scene...but only the next day, etc.


From the Florence Court, the FACTS (a word that strikes dread into the hearts of the PIP) are:

In regard to Sollecito “The picture of the evidence which emerges from the impugned judgment is marked by intrinsic unresolved contradictions...It remains, nonetheless, a strong suspicion that he was actually present in the house at Via della Pergola on the night of the murder, but at a time, however, that cannot be determined. On the other hand, given the certainty of the presence of Knox in that house, it is hardly credible that he was not with her.” (Page 49 of the decision)

If therefore the fact that Knox was in the house 7 Via della Pergola at the time when young Meredith Kercher was killed constitutes a fact of absolute and indisputable certainty; it is evident that the statements made by Sollecito that she was with him all evening on 1 November 2007 are false, and that one cannot believe his statements that he couldn't remember what he and Knox were doing from the evening of 1 November 2007 until the following morning.
It is logical to assume that she, returning to her boyfriend immediately after having helped someone she knew (Guede) and others murder her flatmate, would have been greatly distraught, a circumstance which would have allowed Sollecito to remember well what happened that night even if he had never set foot in the house where the serious crime had happened.

What is it you are just not getting?

 

[Stacyhs]

My degree in psychology came before my chartered accountancy designation (for LJ, this includes AICPA).

The study you quote is not like for like. These are stimuli presented to subjects, the topic being short-term memory.

However, we are not talking about short-term noises, words, conversations, random beeps. We are talking about a 'harrowing scream'.

Can you see the difference in impact and proportionality. The aural part of the brain is one of the oldest, right at the back (from memory), which indicates it is a deeply instinctive survival mechanism. A scream from a human, has the same effect as a baying animal or squawking bird warning of the presence of a predator. The autonomous nervous system reaction is one of fear, fight or flight. Ms Capezelli felt the scream through her whole being, as did Amanda, who claims she was reduced to crouching in the kitchen, as did Rudy, who came running out of the bathroom (he claims) with his trousers around his ankles.

Conversely, witnesses do not claim to have heard a 'harrowing scream' unless they did.

Do you really think anyone here believes you have a degree in psychology?

No matter how you try and spin this (as you always do), the fact remains that you stated:

Whilst eye witnesses may have faulty memory when it comes to visual events, audio memory is much stronger

This is, in fact, false. I've provided studies that prove otherwise while you have not provided a single study to support your statement.

If Capezalli was so horrified, why did she not report it when the murder made the news? Did she go to the police? No. Did anyone else in her building hear it? No. Did she mention it to her niece? No. Did the audiometric test done by the UK program show it was possible for her to have heard it? No.

Conversely, witnesses do not claim to have heard a 'harrowing scream' unless they did

Conversely, witnesses do not claim to have been told about the murder by some boys the morning of Nov 2 or to have seen posters with Guede and Lumumba's names on them on Nov 3 unless they did. Oh, wait....that is exactly what Capezalli did even though neither ever happened.

 

[Vixen]

I do think the Kerchers have behaved with dignity. However, on the other hand, their daughter and sister was not having her reputation and character dragged through the mud by the press and court. Their daughter and sister was not being called a murderer, a luciferina, evil, a slut, a thief, a liar, etc.

Nor was Meredith's sister a young teenager as were Amanda's, either.
I do find it hypocritical that you have an apoplectic fit whenever anyone dares to criticize the Kercher family in any way but you resort to making snide comments about Knox's little sisters. Shame on you.

Better to be called a slut than be stabbed in the neck and raped.

The Kerchers have nothing to do with Amanda's self-styled tabloid image.

 

[acbytesla]

Maresca underpinned its report with the fact Amanda was present at the scene of the crime, washed off the victim's blood from her hands and covered up for Rudy.

What kind of a person is that?

Another day, another lie.

You keep ignoring that Marasca prefaced that with the words 'even if'. That means what follows is a hypothetical.

Again, you're wrong and I'm right. Ooops you did it again.

 

[Bill Williams]

So you keep saying. You keep saying, yes, the kids were present at the murder scene...but only the next day, etc.


From the Florence Court, the FACTS (a word that strikes dread into the hearts of the PIP) are:

.
What is it you are just not getting?

Of course the Florence court said that. What you're purposely conflating is the claim that the acquitting court agrees.

In the M/B report you continually skip over their use of "hypothesis" and "if".

But nice try to move the goalposts like that. It's a mystery why you think no one will notice.

 

[acbytesla]

Stacyhs asked, and I answered.

So what? That doesn't make any of it true.

 

[Stacyhs]

Umm..no. ALL the courts, accepted that Raff had called 112 BEFORE the postal police arrived. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?

Massei used a scream that could not be established as coming from Meredith or even the cottage. He ignored the contradictory evidence in order to fit the TOD to the scream.

Yep. So that Amanda would not be called into work of things picked up. Sheesh.

When Amanda and Raff found the broken window, they were a little bit busy looking through the house, trying to break down the door and calling the police. Calling Filomena was not top priority.

No, you cannot see the broken window through the outside wooden shutter that was partially closed and concealed the broken glass.

When you look at something through guilt colored glasses, that's all you see.

BiWi: please note, the above quote is not mine.

Are you not? I guess you must be more California way.

That was my response to your false statement regarding the arrival of the postal police.

Nah, not California either.

 

[Bill Williams]

Another day, another lie.

You keep ignoring that Marasca prefaced that with the words 'even if'. That means what follows is a hypothetical.

Again, you're wrong and I'm right. Ooops you did it again.

One correction - they didn't "preface" that with "even if", they used the if at the concluding summary of what they'd assembled, saying that even if one concedes the above is all true, none of it convicts the pair, and as such Nencini erred judicially with his verdict.

 

[acbytesla]

I do think the Kerchers have behaved with dignity. However, on the other hand, their daughter and sister was not having her reputation and character dragged through the mud by the press and court. Their daughter and sister was not being called a murderer, a luciferina, evil, a slut, a thief, a liar, etc.

Nor was Meredith's sister a young teenager as were Amanda's, either.
I do find it hypocritical that you have an apoplectic fit whenever anyone dares to criticize the Kercher family in any way but you resort to making snide comments about Knox's little sisters. Shame on you.

I don't. John Kercher wrote a book filled with lies. I don't consider that to be dignified.

 

[Vixen]

Do you really think anyone here believes you have a degree in psychology?

No matter how you try and spin this (as you always do), the fact remains that you stated:



This is, in fact, false. I've provided studies that prove otherwise while you have not provided a single study to support your statement.

If Capezalli was so horrified, why did she not report it when the murder made the news? Did she go to the police? No. Did anyone else in her building hear it? No. Did she mention it to her niece? No. Did the audiometric test done by the UK program show it was possible for her to have heard it? No.



Conversely, witnesses do not claim to have been told about the murder by some boys the morning of Nov 2 or to have seen posters with Guede and Lumumba's names on them on Nov 3 unless they did. Oh, wait....that is exactly what Capezalli did even though neither ever happened.

Few people go to the police when they hear a scream (at least not in Seattle, according to acbytesla). I've heard loud screams from a neighbour (which btw I still recall today) when I lived in built-up Notting Hill, which concerned me, and then I decided it must be someone having a baby, or something.

Going to the police is cultural.