The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 24

[acbytesla]

This is Perugia, not Seattle.

They don't have sex in Perugia? Or just not orgasms?

 

[Stacyhs]

The autopsy photos form part of medical records and are ipso facto confidential. The photos in the case files were for court purposes only, not for Amanda and Raff to hand around to their chums for dissemination.

Anybody reading this knows it is most improper to circulate autopsy photographs. I am surprised that you are arguing that there is nothing wrong with it.

Duncan was banned from twitter for her vaseline posts to the murder victim's family. It takes a lot for twitter to BAN an account (hate crime, terrorists) being as it is situated in the US where free speech is sovereign.

If the autopsy photos form part of the medical records and are ipso facto confidential, then by your logic, the entire autopsy report forms part of the medical records and are also ipso facto confidential.
That being the case, would you care to explain the autopsy report being provided to the public on TMofMK?

No one here, including me, has said it is proper to circulate graphic autopsy photographs. However, the one Duncan provided was not graphic at all as I showed.

You have provided no evidence that Duncan was " banned from twitter for her vaseline posts to the murder victim's family."

If the Vaseline tweet was the impetus, would you also care to explain why the picture was tweeted in August 2015 and Duncan wasn't banned until January 2016.?In fact, Duncan was banned for "flooding" (sending the same link to many people, unsolicited). She was sending the Amandaknoxcase link to reporters. The sound you hear is your false claim going down the toilet.

 

[Stacyhs]

Are you trying to make the disgusting suggestion that Mez was naked waist down and thus allowing for a single attacker, namely Rudy, who, according to the PIP theory, walking in on her whilst she was half undressed.

Pathetic. Not one single court accepted that scenario.

Oh good Lord. How in the world did you ever get that from what I wrote?

I think she was in her room, had removed her shoes and possibly one sock when she was attacked by Guede. Sheeesh.

 

[acbytesla]

Whilst eye witnesses may have faulty memory when it comes to visual events, audio memory is much stronger (for example, someone deep in a coma can respond to an auditory stimulus, such as music of the voice of a beloved).

People do not imagine 'heartrending, harrowing' screams. They remember them deeply.

Bollocks. Talking out your ass again I see. PROVIDE A CITATION.

From a body language POV - which Mignini is expert in, after years of interviewing criminals and sociopaths - he noted that when Amanda mentioned the scream she reflexively covered her ears, as though reliving it.

And more nonsense. This isn't evidence. What it is is, is an appeal to authority. You have absolutely no idea if Mignini is an expert at anything. There are many articles that suggest that investigators are no better then anyone else at 'reading people'.

Until you can demonstrate in any tangible way the Mignini has such ability, this is just more of you talking out your backside.

 

[Stacyhs]

They don't have sex in Perugia? Or just not orgasms?

No wonder they're so sexually obsessed. Could explain a lot.

 

[Stacyhs]

Bollocks. Talking out your ass again I see. PROVIDE A CITATION.


And more nonsense. This isn't evidence. What it is is, is an appeal to authority. You have absolutely no idea if Mignini is an expert at anything. There are many articles that suggest that investigators are no better then anyone else at 'reading people'.

Until you can demonstrate in any tangible way the Mignini has such ability, this is just more of you talking out your backside.

I've already provide two scientific sources that show visual memory is more reliable than auditory memory. Vixen has failed to address it.

 

[acbytesla]

I've already provide two scientific sources that show visual memory is more reliable than auditory memory. Vixen has failed to address it.

Vixen does this constantly. She'll make statements authoritatively yet without any real knowledge. IE: 30 minutes for blood to dry, auditory memory being more effective then visual memory, Mignini is an expert in reading behavior.

It's weird having a conversation with someone that nonstop talks out of their backside.

 

[Numbers]

Brussels clearly shows a question mark after it. Stop point scoring. You seriously mean to say, you've spent hours trawling old posts in order to search for points to score?

How very sad.

No, I have fond memories (paraphrasing): We'll always have Brussels....

LOL!

Oh, and I didn't even mention the hypothetical typo figure of speech where the pro-guilt poster asked "Will it be an open court?" LOL! That would have been point scoring, indeed. Perhaps a little online or library research by that pro-guilt poster would have revealed that open hearings are rare at the ECHR, and as a rule (which could have an exception) only held for those cases before the Grand Chamber that ECHR considers really, really significant.

An example was the referral to the Grand Chamber of the Ibrahim and others v. the UK case 50541/08 50571/08 50573/08, after the judgment of the Chamber that there had been no violation of Convention Article 6.1 with 6.3c. It's a case that makes for interesting reading, relevant to Knox v. Italy. There's a webcast video of the hearing available at

http://echr.coe.int/sites/search_eng/pages/search.aspx#{%22contentcategory%22:[%22Webcast%22],%22state%22:[%22United%20Kingdom%22]}

and also from HUDOC:

http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22docname%22:[%22\%22CASE%20OF%20IBRAHIM%20AND%20OTHERS%20v.%20THE%20UNITED%20KINGDOM\%22%22],%22documentcollectionid2%22:[%22GRANDCHAMBER%22,%22CHAMBER%22]}

 

[acbytesla]

No wonder they're so sexually obsessed. Could explain a lot.

Repression leads to obsession.

 

[Bill Williams]

I've already provide two scientific sources that show visual memory is more reliable than auditory memory. Vixen has failed to address it.

After making up out of thin air that it was AK and RS who were responsible for the authorities failing to determine TOD, I showed her that this was the one thing Mignini himself admitted to blowing. He caused the body temperature to be delayed taken for another 24 hours. Mignini told this to Nathaniel Rich saying it was his great investigative regret.

Vixen simply made up the first claim, and then dropped it with no explanation, inventing a new excuse for Mignini, one that he didn't invent at all for himself!

Vixen tells these lies because she believes she's BFF with a murder victim whom she'd never met.

 

[Stacyhs]

They were only caught at the scene at all because the police turned up by sheer coincidence.

Umm..no. ALL the courts, accepted that Raff had called 112 BEFORE the postal police arrived. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?

The TOD can be approximated by several means. Lalli established a wide range extending to as late as 4:00am next day. Massei took the median point of this, which was corroborated by various witnesses.

Massei used a scream that could not be established as coming from Meredith or even the cottage. He ignored the contradictory evidence in order to fit the TOD to the scream.

As for 'neither of them knew they were free for the evening until 8:40', well, the pair both switched off their phones shortly after. Raff after speaking to his Papa.

Yep. So that Amanda would not be called into work of things picked up. Sheesh.

When Amanda rang Filomena at 12:11 she was 'scene-setting'. She didn't once ring up Filomena to say, 'your window is smashed' - something I would have thought was a HUGE elephant in the room? You can't not see her window as you approach the front door.

When Amanda and Raff found the broken window, they were a little bit busy looking through the house, trying to break down the door and calling the police. Calling Filomena was not top priority.

No, you cannot see the broken window through the outside wooden shutter that was partially closed and concealed the broken glass.

When you look at something through guilt colored glasses, that's all you see.

Amanda called Filomena
It was only when Filomena rang HER and the police were just arriving that she even mentioned it. I guess at that point, she had to.[/QUOTE

Think about it. There was no need to "set the stage" in a first call. The same thing would have been accomplished by declaring that she found the broken window during the FIRST call to Filomena. There was not need for 2 calls.

As by the time Mez' body was found she had been dead for anything up to 15 hours, maximum so it is unlikely Lalli could have found an exact time anyway.

No one has claimed hercould have given an "exact time". But it would have given a narrower time range.

 

[Numbers]

After making up out of thin air that it was AK and RS who were responsible for the authorities failing to determine TOD, I showed her that this was the one thing Mignini himself admitted to blowing. He caused the body temperature to be delayed taken for another 24 hours. Mignini told this to Nathaniel Rich saying it was his great investigative regret.

Vixen simply made up the first claim, and then dropped it with no explanation, inventing a new excuse for Mignini, one that he didn't invent at all for himself!

Vixen tells these lies because she believes she's BFF with a murder victim whom she'd never met.

Maybe. But maybe Vixen is demonstrating "guilt fraud", a campaign of attempted deceptions that seeks to show an innocent person is guilty of a crime by means of allegations that are falsehoods or fabrications. It's not criminal fraud, of course, because it doesn't satisfy the legal definition (elements) of criminal fraud; there is no legal injury, such as financial loss. And, of course, essentially no one - at least among current posters on ISF - finds Vixen's statements credible and thus there is no reliance upon them. An important contribution to this is that Vixen's falsehoods and fabrications are almost always transparent and absurd. However, some may consider "guilt fraud" to be immoral or unethical, while others may find it simply an entertaining diversion.

Here's the legal definition of fraud generally used in the US:

"Fraud

A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.

Fraud {in the legal sense} is commonly understood as dishonesty calculated for advantage. A person who is dishonest may be called a fraud. In the U.S. legal system, fraud is a specific offense with certain features. ....

Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact, (2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result."

Source: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud

 

[Stacyhs]

They were only caught at the scene at all because the police turned up by sheer coincidence.

The TOD can be approximated by several means. Lalli established a wide range extending to as late as 4:00am next day. Massei took the median point of this, which was corroborated by various witnesses.

As for 'neither of them knew they were free for the evening until 8:40', well, the pair both switched off their phones shortly after. Raff after speaking to his Papa.

When Amanda rang Filomena at 12:11 she was 'scene-setting'. She didn't once ring up Filomena to say, 'your window is smashed' - something I would have thought was a HUGE elephant in the room? You can't not see her window as you approach the front door.
It was only when Filomena rang HER and the police were just arriving that she even mentioned it. I guess at that point, she had to.

As by the time Mez' body was found she had been dead for anything up to 15 hours, maximum, so it is unlikely Lalli could have found an exact time anyway.

The broken glass was not visible due to the partially closed outside shutter:

 

[abaddon]

I thought this was common knowledge, but evidently not.

It is not common knowledge that blood dries in 30 seconds as you claimed.

Your citation states 30 to 60 minutes depending on conditions.

Furthermore, you claimed...

As the perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death.

Therefore, you cannot know when MK ceased actively bleeding.

 

[abaddon]

I know I am right. Unlike you, I don't need to rely on google.

You are flat out wrong. I don't need to rely on google either.

 

[Vixen]

They don't have sex in Perugia? Or just not orgasms?

Only for procreation.

 

[Vixen]

If the autopsy photos form part of the medical records and are ipso facto confidential, then by your logic, the entire autopsy report forms part of the medical records and are also ipso facto confidential.
That being the case, would you care to explain the autopsy report being provided to the public on TMofMK?

No one here, including me, has said it is proper to circulate graphic autopsy photographs. However, the one Duncan provided was not graphic at all as I showed.

You have provided no evidence that Duncan was " banned from twitter for her vaseline posts to the murder victim's family."

If the Vaseline tweet was the impetus, would you also care to explain why the picture was tweeted in August 2015 and Duncan wasn't banned until January 2016.?In fact, Duncan was banned for "flooding" (sending the same link to many people, unsolicited). She was sending the Amandaknoxcase link to reporters. The sound you hear is your false claim going down the toilet.

The autopsy report is quite different from autopsy photographs. They are not for your prurient interest.

 

[Vixen]

I've already provide two scientific sources that show visual memory is more reliable than auditory memory. Vixen has failed to address it.

You do not understand how psychology works. Your two studies had nothing at all to do with what I was talking about, namely a 'heartrending harrowing scream', not someone having a passing conversation at a cocktail party.

 

[Vixen]

After making up out of thin air that it was AK and RS who were responsible for the authorities failing to determine TOD, I showed her that this was the one thing Mignini himself admitted to blowing. He caused the body temperature to be delayed taken for another 24 hours. Mignini told this to Nathaniel Rich saying it was his great investigative regret.

Vixen simply made up the first claim, and then dropped it with no explanation, inventing a new excuse for Mignini, one that he didn't invent at all for himself!

Vixen tells these lies because she believes she's BFF with a murder victim whom she'd never met.

Nathaniel Rich, hack, infatuated with Amanda's girlfriend, Madison Paxton, who is the origin of the '53 hour interrogation with tag teams from Rome', which gave himt he material to write his ill-informed 'Amanda was Railroaded' article for ROLLING STONE? That one?

The ROLLING STONE that put the Boston Bomber on its cover as some kind of teenage pin-up? That esteemed organ?


I doubt very much Mignini apologised to Nathaniel Rich, hack, he was probably expressing some polite meaningless platitude to get shot of him.

 

[Vixen]

Umm..no. ALL the courts, accepted that Raff had called 112 BEFORE the postal police arrived. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?




Massei used a scream that could not be established as coming from Meredith or even the cottage. He ignored the contradictory evidence in order to fit the TOD to the scream.



Yep. So that Amanda would not be called into work of things picked up. Sheesh.



When Amanda and Raff found the broken window, they were a little bit busy looking through the house, trying to break down the door and calling the police. Calling Filomena was not top priority.

No, you cannot see the broken window through the outside wooden shutter that was partially closed and concealed the broken glass.

When you look at something through guilt colored glasses, that's all you see.

Amanda called Filomena
It was only when Filomena rang HER and the police were just arriving that she even mentioned it. I guess at that point, she had to.[/QUOTE

Think about it. There was no need to "set the stage" in a first call. The same thing would have been accomplished by declaring that she found the broken window during the FIRST call to Filomena. There was not need for 2 calls.



No one has claimed hercould have given an "exact time". But it would have given a narrower time range.

You identify really closely with Amanda, don't you? You think she thinks just like you, to the extent that even if you knew she did it (as I am sure you do) you would justify it as being a logical extension of your personality and entitlement as a Seattle citizen.