The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 24

[Methos]

Please explain how that post on PMF (dated Dec 2015) you linked to - basically nothing more than speculation on a message board, based on an article written in May 2009 based on speculations, by someone known to be a cheerleader for the prosecution from the beginning - is in any way a back up or a source for the highlighted claims you made in the initial post?

You are quite wrong. Duncan offered a selection of nude autopsy photos from a sock account, having previously been BANNED from twitter.
The pictures did not come from Frank Sfarzo, they came from a defense released (namely Papa Raff) bundle and sold/given to a Bari TV station.

Well...

Where is the link? Show us the link, [...] Otherwise it is fake news.

Graham Rhodes is a private individual. I am not sure why you think I have any control over him.

Then, why do you think Amanda Knox (or anyone else on the PIP side) has control over the people who made the posts you provided screenshots of in your post?

The war Amanda Knox in particular has declared on the Kercher family is unprecedented, or rather, her female entourage seems to be vicariously enjoying her crimes by revelling in the appalling harm done to the victim.

The tweet that got Duncan BANNED from twitter is as attached.

Then there is some slob who proposed marriage and sent Amanda poetry openly attacking the Kerchers and suggesting it as a policy.

As for the cyberhate crime chap, he is either mentally unbalanced or has criminal tendencies, or both. Yet he is a leading light in Bruce Fischer's campaign against injustice. Why does Bruce allow himself to associate with such loose cannons?*

Methos, what do you have to say about this?

See above... If you are resorting to the "Am I my brother's keeper?" defence, why shouldn't I do the same? AND your post above still isn't an answer to my question:

Please explain how that post on PMF (dated Dec 2015) you linked to - basically nothing more than speculation on a message board, based on an article written in May 2009 based on speculations, by someone known to be a cheerleader for the prosecution from the beginning - is in any way a back up or a source for the highlighted claims you made in the initial post?

Guess, I will not get a real answer, if any...

Annella drove Lyle Kercher the brother of the murder victim to delete his twitter account.

Once again... :

Where is the link? Show us the link, [...]
Otherwise it is fake news.

I am guessing all of the PIP will remain eerily quiet about this abominable behaviour.

The discussion above, proved you wrong, I guess...

ETA Bruce Fischer himself attacks one of Amanda's victims, Patrick, accusing him of all sorts of heinous acts. Hello? This was a man dragged out of bed in the early hours, in front of his young family, and thrown into jail branded as the murderer and rapist of the victim - all because of Amanda Knox' criminal calumny in naming him persistently as the perp and she and her Mom, Edda, even openly willing to let him rot in jail whilst KNOWING he was entirely innocent.

Nice fake outrage, flavoured with Daily Mail style over a quite fact based "tongue in cheek" article by Mr Fischer...
Is that all you have left?

 

[Welshman]

Whilst eye witnesses may have faulty memory when it comes to visual events, audio memory is much stronger (for example, someone deep in a coma can respond to an auditory stimulus, such as music of the voice of a beloved).

People do not imagine 'heartrending, harrowing' screams. They remember them deeply.

From a body language POV - which Mignini is expert in, after years of interviewing criminals and sociopaths - he noted that when Amanda mentioned the scream she reflexively covered her ears, as though reliving it.

The courts have no doubt she did hear the scream.

Being a sociopath himself it is understandable Mignini would be good at recognizing sociopaths.

 

[Stacyhs]

Says mountebank revisionist, Stacyhs.

That's the best rebuttal you can come up with?

 

[Stacyhs]

...some post that Stacyhs and her friends slaver over and have saved since 2015.

No need to save it as it's still posted on TJMK as you've already been shown. But nice touch using the word "slaver". I've always been impressed, yet at the same time disgusted, by your use of manipulative language.

 

[Stacyhs]

As the perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death.

I wonder who could have locked Mez' door and only became 'worried' way past midday next day, and who could be the only person who knew (a) her rent was due and (b) that she had two phones.

Rudy could have locked the door and Filomena knew the rent was due as did Laura as did I'm sure the landlord. This piece of information allows no conclusions to be drawn.

Rents are generally due on the first of every month. Dempsey, in her book on page 40, states that this was true for everyone in Perugia, including the girls in the cottage, Guede, and Raffaele. She also states that Perugia landlords did not accept checks so payments were made in cash.

Now, who was the only person of this group who had no money to pay their rent, was unemployed, and had a history of breaking and entering, stealing, and being in the possession of stolen property?

 

[Numbers]

Maybe she meant it as either a hypothetical or as a figure of speech!

I'm sure Vixen will reveal it to be a hypothetical typo originally intended as a figure of speech.

 

[Stacyhs]

Whilst eye witnesses may have faulty memory when it comes to visual events, audio memory is much stronger (for example, someone deep in a coma can respond to an auditory stimulus, such as music of the voice of a beloved).

People do not imagine 'heartrending, harrowing' screams. They remember them deeply.

From a body language POV - which Mignini is expert in, after years of interviewing criminals and sociopaths - he noted that when Amanda mentioned the scream she reflexively covered her ears, as though reliving it.

The courts have no doubt she did hear the scream.

Sigh....yet more "facts" being pulled directly out of a lower body orifice. Studies actually show the opposite is true:

"Researchers at the University of Iowa have found that when it comes to memory, we don't remember things we hear nearly as well as things we see or touch." (Science Daily February 26, 2014)

"Auditory recognition memory is inferior to visual recognition memory"
(Michael A. Cohena, Todd S. Horowitza,b and Jeremy M. Wolfe, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the U.S.A.)

People do not imagine 'heartrending, harrowing' screams. They remember them deeply

Really? Nara Capezalli also "remembered" being told about the murder on the morning of Nov 2 by some boys and seeing posters with the names of Knox, Sollecito, Guede, and Lumumba on Nov 3...neither of which were possible considering the murder hadn't been discovered on the morning of Nov 2 and no posters with either Guede or Lumumba's names existed on Nov 3.

People "remember" things that never happened. Things that they'd swear to in a court of law. That is a proven fact. They are called "false memories" for a reason. Why can't people "imagine" things that never happened?

From a body language POV - which Mignini is expert in, after years of interviewing criminals and sociopaths - he noted that when Amanda mentioned the scream she reflexively covered her ears, as though reliving it.

LOL! An expert? REALLY? Police think they are experts at discerning lies due to experience when studies show they are no better at it than non-police. And yes, I can provide evidence of that if you insist because I've researched it before. Has it occurred to you that Amanda covered her ears because the police were yelling at her and she wanted it to stop? Nah...of course not. If it doesn't support guilt, it can't be true, right?

The courts have no doubt she did hear the scream.

She may have heard A scream. After all, she did say hearing screams in that area was not unusual.

 

[Bill Williams]

I'm sure Vixen will reveal it to be a hypothetical typo originally intended as a figure of speech.

Strangely, now that I am being bent to Vixen's will in how to interpret things, that actually makes sense!

 

[Vixen]

So a lawyer should decide on how to investigate a crime scene?

In Italy the public prosecutor takes charge of the crime scene, in terms of directing procedure.

It's a leadership role. He or she has to coordinate various different departments to a timetable. Rather like project management.

 

[Vixen]

Indeed. And even putting such amusing scientific illiteracy to one side for a moment, one has to wonder why any individual, in an attempt to write words denoting a period of time of 30 minutes, would not write

30 minutes

or

30 mins

or even

30m

but instead elect to use the arcane (and antiquated, when it comes to units of time) construction of

30' (or 30" if one were scientifically illiterate......).

I wonder why that might happen? I think I can guess

I know I am right. Unlike you, I don't need to rely on google.

 

[Vixen]

I don't blame Amanda at all. I blame the police for how they ran their interrogation.

I also don't know what you're talking about in reference to autopsy photos. I was referring to PGP men who posted not so veiled death threats toward Amanda. One who is certifiable, the other who seems to have recovered from his insanity.

Of course you do. I saw this in my crystal ball.

 

[Vixen]

You have carefully avoided answering whether or not.....

..... you simply invented the remark: "As the perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death" .....

When it was MIGNINI who delayed body temperature-testing for a further 24 hours!!!!

You are backpeddling into another invention of yours - something that not even Mignini claimed.... "Mignini had to think on his feet". Mignini holds himself solely responsible for the delay in ascertaining the time of death, and what you do with this issue is:

- display ignorance of one of the most basic elements of how the investigators booted this case
- try to shift responsibility for it to the ones who were eventually acquitted
- try to cover for Mignini in a way he never even tried to cover for himself.​

You've done all this with not one, but TWO complete fabrications.

Is it a complete fabrication from you that, "the perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death"? Mignini seems to be conceding that if body temperature had been taken TOD could have been narrowed significantly.

Remember, Nencini's judicial ruling was that finding TOD was not important. This is one of the reasons why Nencini was overturned - as per the quote from Marasca-Bruno above, who called Nencini's reasoning a judicial error.

There are many murders in which the body is so decayed it is only possible to estimate the time of death, and this is what Lalli did, to the best of his ability, using all the available techniques and formulae.

Just because it is not possible to pinpoint exact TOD, doesn't mean the perp gets off.

 

[Stacyhs]

I know I am right. Unlike you, I don't need to rely on google.

Or evidence.

 

[Vixen]

Which state is that? Also, while I have no interest in defending the US and the different states that have the death penalty, but it's nonsense to say the US is the only one of two countries with the death penalty. How about Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, India, and others. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate everything?

I said SECOND in the world after...only China, who no-one can beat.

The US state is Arkansas. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-arkansas-execution-idUSKBN1772GU

 

[whoanellie]

I know I am right. Unlike you, I don't need to rely on google.

This is called the Dunning-Kruger effect.

 

[Vixen]

Deleted.

 

[Vixen]

A rather bizarre response to a post providing actual data on drying of blood based on scientific research.

It's telling that Vixen provided no citation of references in Vixen's post on how long it takes for blood to dry; perhaps the number quoted (and the units of time were what, and the temperature and humidity were what) was the result of Vixen's own scientific research.

I'm sure I did, but here it is again. I am sure some posters will remember this.

 

[Vixen]

Once again, look how author John Follain describes it in his book, "A Death in Italy," a book which is perhaps the one most friendly to the prosecution, and which the fake-Wiki describes as the truest account of the crime and subsequent trials.....

Follain says on one page that Mignini regarded Knox as a liar, yet on the next page says that Mignini felt obliged to arrest Lumumba, "because Amanda accused him."

Everyone just take a moment to consider what might the problem be with Follain's account; if it is all al accurate in describing Mignini's thinking process that night.

When someone reports a crime, police are obliged to look into it.

Amanda voluntarily reported her boss as being the rapist and murderer of Mez, and putting up a superb act of being frightened to death of him.

It would have been grossly improper for police to have not acted expeditiously.

 

[Stacyhs]

There are many murders in which the body is so decayed it is only possible to estimate the time of death, and this is what Lalli did, to the best of his ability, using all the available techniques and formulae.

Just because it is not possible to pinpoint exact TOD, doesn't mean the perp gets off.

Those are cases where it was not possible to ascertain TOD because access to the body was impossible. That was not the case here. A more narrow TOD was possible to determine but it was ineptly allowed to expire because Mignini would not allow Lalli to do what Lalli wanted to do; take the body temperature.

Circumstantial evidence does not support the 11:00-11:30 TOD.

Not even taking into account the phone calls, it's highly unlikely that Meredith would have arrived home at 9:00, after leaving her friends' place early because she was tired, and still be fully dressed (except for shoes) including her hoodie at 11:00 to 11:30. It's far more likely that she would have come home and changed soon into her night clothes for comfort. The fact her shoes were off is more indicative that she had come home, gone into her room, and removed her shoes in preparation for getting undressed. If you are honest, you would also recognize that one of the first things we women do in the evening is remove our bras. We don't stay fully dressed that late at night, especially if we are home alone.

 

[Bill Williams]

You have carefully avoided answering whether or not.....

..... you simply invented the remark: "As the perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death" .....

When it was MIGNINI who delayed body temperature-testing for a further 24 hours!!!!

You are backpeddling into another invention of yours - something that not even Mignini claimed.... "Mignini had to think on his feet". Mignini holds himself solely responsible for the delay in ascertaining the time of death, and what you do with this issue is:

There are many murders in which the body is so decayed it is only possible to estimate the time of death, and this is what Lalli did, to the best of his ability, using all the available techniques and formulae.

Just because it is not possible to pinpoint exact TOD, doesn't mean the perp gets off.

Once again, you've avoiding owning-up-to simply inventing, "As the perps delayed the body being found for >15 hours, it was not possible to ascertain exact time of death"

How many times have responses to you begun with - "You have completely avoided answering the questions put to you, thinking that substitution a non sequitor somehow saves your argument"?

Vixen - your reply has nothing to do WITH THE ISSUE YOU FRAUDULENTLY RAISED! You raised it, implying that the kids were responsible for the forensic people not being able to pinpoint the TOD.

Added to this is the response you made immediately above, which is a total non sequitor. We are not talking about MANY MURDERS, we are talking about this one, tragic murder. We are talking about the one which Mignini himself admitted that it was he who delayed the test for TOD for a further 24 hours!!!!

Add in your typical strawman - "Just because it is not possible to pinpoint exact TOD, doesn't mean the perp gets off." Why do you deal in so obvious and awkward strawmen arguments?

Marasca-Bruno - luckily - looked at this as competent judges. They took Nencini's finding, that finding TOD was not an important thing for this case, and said that that was judicially wrong.

With AK and RS having unassailable alibi's well into the evening of Nov 1, where neither of them knew they would be free for the evening until about 8:40 pm (Nov 1), M/B say quite rightly that pinpointing TOD is perhaps THE primary way of assessing their unassailable alibi.

Instead, Nencini just left TOD open and ignored that the investigators themselves (Mignini) were responsible for blowing this important aspect of the case. M/B implied that perhaps Nencini should have acquitted on that point alone.

Otherwise, you show absolutely little understanding of even the most basic elements of this case.

It is good enough for you that you can invent things, to make it seem that AK and RS were responsible for the delay in taking body temperature - when all AK and RS had to have done, if guilty, was go away on their planned weekend trip, leaving the grisly discovery Monday morning, rather than Friday.

Why do you invent things so?