Bridge collapses in Atlanta

Add Professional Standards to the list of stuff that Bobthecoward has no clue about. ASCE, ASME, AIAA, SAE, etcétera are the only way that we have national building codes,safety, materials, and manufacturing standards for everything from air conditioners to zeppelins, as well as standardized test requirements and procedures...
The only lobbying the due is in those regards...
 
fuelair said:
No relationship to that though - this was used to show the troofers that a fire of normal strength could indeed melt steel supports to the point where sufficient mass could bring them down due to near melting!!!!
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You realise you have been the victim of a Poe?
 
Mark F said:
Ergo, it couldn't have been the fire.

Must have been super-sekrit-nano-therm_te :boxedin:
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All that black smoke clearly showed that the small fire was oxygen deprived, so I think you are right. Also PVC is hard to ignite and burns at a lower temperature than most plastics, so it clearly has to be a cover-up to hide the use of super-sekrit-nano-therm_te. I bet if you ask witnesses they would say they they heard things that sounded like explosions too.

Add to this how the Whitehouse KNEW there was going to be a Terror attack in Atlanta and that they tried to hide this by claiming it's not a Terrorist Attack!!!!

"I think it's as serious a transportation crisis as we could have," Mayor Kasim Reed said at a news conference late Thursday. He said that FBI agents were on the scene "to work out what happened" but that the agency had reported no suspected link to terrorism.
4/1/17 False Fag!! Inside Job!! What is Trump trying to cover up with this event? We demand the TRUTH™ now!!!!!
 
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rwguinn said:
Add Professional Standards to the list of stuff that Bobthecoward has no clue about. ASCE, ASME, AIAA, SAE, etcétera are the only way that we have national building codes,safety, materials, and manufacturing standards for everything from air conditioners to zeppelins, as well as standardized test requirements and procedures...
The only lobbying the due is in those regards...
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They are a bunch of rent seekers. Next you will be defending the AMA.

How is the one group that always gets a pass on their very obvious vested interest in having increased government regulation and spending on infrastructure?
 
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BobTheCoward said:
They are a bunch of rent seekers. Next you will be defending the AMA.

How is the one group that always gets a pass on their very obvious vested interest in having increased government regulation and spending on infrastructure?
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What an incredibly ignorant comment. Here's what happens when you don't enforce legal and engineering standards.

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The 2013 Savar building collapse or Rana Plaza collapse was a structural failure that occurred on Wednesday, 24 April 2013 in the Savar Upazila of Dhaka, Bangladesh, where an eight-story commercial building named Rana Plaza collapsed. The search for the dead ended on 13 May 2013 with a death toll of 1,129. Approximately 2,500 injured people were rescued from the building alive. It is considered the deadliest garment-factory accident in history, as well as the deadliest accidental structural failure in modern human history.
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The head of the Bangladesh Fire Service & Civil Defense, Ali Ahmed Khan, said that the upper four floors had been built without a permit. Rana Plaza's architect, Massood Reza, said the building was planned for shops and offices – but not factories. Other architects stressed the risks involved in placing factories inside a building designed only for shops and offices, noting the structure was potentially not strong enough to bear the weight and vibration of heavy machinery.
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The direct reasons for the building problems were:
  • Building built first without authorization on a pond,
  • Conversion from commercial use to industrial use,
  • Addition of 4 floors above the original permit
  • The use of substandard construction material (which led to an overload of the building structure aggravated by vibrations due to the generators). Those various elements indicated dubious business practices by Sohel Rana and dubious administrative practices in Savar.
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(Emphasis mine.)

Source: 2013 Savar building collapse
 
Blue Mountain said:
What an incredibly ignorant comment. Here's what happens when you don't enforce legal and engineering standards.



(Emphasis mine.)

Source: 2013 Savar building collapse
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And every dollar spent on excessive standards and unnecessary infrastructure is a dollar that cant go to a better use.

And I never complained about legal standards existing (though personally I don't think it is a legitimate function of government). My objection is that we quote those with a vested interest in excessive regulation like they are neutral actors.
 
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Gee. We had straight-line winds that destroyed houses in the FW/D area, houses built to MINIMUM code. Excessive? Hardly.
The Letter groups develop standards on their own. Governments adopt them, rather than spending excess bucks on doing it themselves.
I personally do not want to get on an airplane that does not meet FAR part 25 minimums, but you're welcome to do so...
 
rwguinn said:
Gee. We had straight-line winds that destroyed houses in the FW/D area, houses built to MINIMUM code. Excessive? Hardly.
The Letter groups develop standards on their own. Governments adopt them, rather than spending excess bucks on doing it themselves.
I personally do not want to get on an airplane that does not meet FAR part 25 minimums, but you're welcome to do so...
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I heard that phrase recently on a weather report and I didn't recall having ever heard it before. Is there some significance to the winds being "straight-lined"? And what's the alternative? Aren't all winds straight at the level of concern?

I am suspicious of new jargon, especially from weathermen. "Feels like"? My ass. I'll tell you what it feels like, it doesn't feel like 13 degrees, it feels "damn cold."
 
marplots said:
I heard that phrase recently on a weather report and I didn't recall having ever heard it before. Is there some significance to the winds being "straight-lined"? And what's the alternative? Aren't all winds straight at the level of concern?

I am suspicious of new jargon, especially from weathermen. "Feels like"? My ass. I'll tell you what it feels like, it doesn't feel like 13 degrees, it feels "damn cold."
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Straight-line winds blow one direction over reasonable long distances. In this part of the world, we use the term to differentiate between high winds and the tightly-wrapped twisty kind, known as TORNADOS.
 
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Straight-line winds blow one direction over reasonable long distances. In this part of the world, we use the term to differentiate between high winds and the tightly-wrapped twisty kind, known as TORNADOS.
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That's why I was complaining. If someone tells you it was windy, and doesn't mention a tornado, is your response, "Hey, they didn't say if the wind was twisty or not, I wonder if it was a tornado?"

No. No one is confused. No one wonders if "windy" really means "tornado." Do not fall for the trick. Reject the weather liars and their self-aggrandizing rhetoric. It's bad enough they sold us "gusty" to replace the perfectly descriptive "variable."

And how about the trend to name, not just hurricanes, but any large weather event?
 
BobTheCoward said:
And every dollar spent on excessive standards and unnecessary infrastructure is a dollar that cant go to a better use.

And I never complained about legal standards existing (though personally I don't think it is a legitimate function of government). My objection is that we quote those with a vested interest in excessive regulation like they are neutral actors.
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Can you give examples of "excessive standards" and "unnecessary infrastructure"?
 
Blue Mountain said:
Can you give examples of "excessive standards" and "unnecessary infrastructure"?
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Short answer yes. Just head on over to the over regulation thread and find examples ranging from shade trees to breakers.

Long answer....No and that is the whole point.. the users of the infrastructure have limited knowledge and are a large, diverse group with limited concern on this one issue. The legislators have an incentive to appease special interest for their ability to mobilize on the issue, plus an incentive to not have a large failure on their watch rather than efficient number of failures. The special interest group has an incentive to overstate their services as they directly benefit.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Short answer yes. Just head on over to the over regulation thread and find examples ranging from shade trees to breakers.
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Shade trees and breakers are a LOT different from bridges and buildings, where a failure can kill and inconvenience a lot of people.

Long answer....No and that is the whole point.. the users of the infrastructure have limited knowledge and are a large, diverse group with limited concern on this one issue. The legislators have an incentive to appease special interest for their ability to mobilize on the issue, plus an incentive to not have a large failure on their watch rather than efficient number of failures. The special interest group has an incentive to overstate their services as they directly benefit.
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A fair point. Which group are you in when it comes to infrastructure--the user, the legislators, or the special interest? If you're a user, how can you tell if the special interest is stating a valid concern or overstating a minor concern? Also, do you have any data (even anecdotes) of an infrastructure special interest group deliberately overstating a minor concern in order to drum up work and bilk the government?

Take an example from public health. There is a noticeable and vocal group constantly complaining that the medical establishment and Big Pharma are overstating a concern in order to beef up their profits: anti-vaxxers. Are you sure you want to go down that road?
 
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