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BobTheCoward said:
It seems a huge stretch to think parts of the White House that never has a firewall between themselves and the president (unlike the FBI which has a tradition of it), is somehow leaking info to you that favors the president.
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And this contradicts what I said, how?
SG said:
...the point was to trick Nunes into thinking he was being given intel by leakers instead of by Trump
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Does Nunes seem very bright to you?
 
trustbutverify said:
What, exactly, does Flynn think he needs immunity from? Just crimes in general or something more specific?
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He knows his conversations were recorded. He knows what is on them. He denied any contact with Russians, denied any discussion about sanctions, then suddenly had to resign.

News is reporting, immunity has not yet been granted.

Flynn is on video saying people asking for immunity to discuss Clinton's email indicate guilt. Whoops.

News also reporting a reminder, there is something wrong with his being an agent of Turkey and forgetting to put that on his security clearance forms.
 
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I wish I was watching more closely this morning to see who it was on CNN saying he hoped the Senate committee would get to the bottom of why Russia was favoring Clinton. And he said it repeatedly.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
He knows his conversations were recorded. He knows what is on them. He denied any contact with Russians, denied any discussion about sanctions, then suddenly had to resign.

News is reporting, immunity has not yet been granted.

Flynn is on video saying people asking for immunity to discuss Clinton's email indicate guilt. Whoops.

News also reporting a reminder, there is something wrong with his being an agent of Turkey and forgetting to put that on his security clearance forms.
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Now, that is funny.
 
trustbutverify said:
Alex Jones is now a respected journalist. It's a different country.
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Yeah, and there are a lot of alt-right people in Congress. But still, a political deal to keep a POTUS out of jail seems to me to be something the POTUS must have respect in order to earn it. Who respects this guy? People like Pence and Ryan kiss his ass to get stuff, but respect? I don't see it.

Speaking of a different time, were you around during Nixon? There was a big issue of, how could we send a POTUS to jail. I sure don't see that now. Hell, they chanted "lock her up" at Trump's rallies. No respect there for sure.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Devin Nunes simple ability to make it into chambers without peeing himself would seem to make him smarter than to think it was a legitimate leak.
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That's not evidence.

But feel free to agree to disagree. I see no point in arguing our different opinions of Nunes.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That's not evidence.

But feel free to agree to disagree. I see no point in arguing our different opinions of Nunes.
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I think we have the same opinion of Nunes. I think we have a different opinion on how dumb you have to be to think the two sources were not acting on behalf of the White House.
 
TraneWreck said:
Yeah, that's what surprises me - there is some actual stuff going down. It's gotten more and more likely as the information keeps leaking out, but during the campaign, as much as I hated Trump, it just seemed unlikely that they would have done something so stupid.

What's interesting to me are the previous connections between Russia/pro-Russian factions in Ukraine and Stone, Manafort, the whole Trump family, Flynn...etc.

It seems to me that those relationships are the means by which they stayed in contact with Russia throughout the election. We'll see. The more insane their behavior gets (Nunes) the more I'm inclined to believe they did something impeachable.
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Well, perhaps, but the Republicans are currently in charge, and they don't seem eager to impeach.
 
phiwum said:
Well, perhaps, but the Republicans are currently in charge, and they don't seem eager to impeach.
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Despite Ol' Tape Tie's many questionable actions, if not full-on transgressions, there may not yet be anything to base impeachment on. And the House, fanatic as they largely are, will need something clearly ironclad before they risk their necks, especially in this political climate.

Furthermore, I would prefer saner heads in high places reserve mentioning the I-word until the time it's appropriate. Those opposed to Don Wan should consider how crying wolf can water down its potency and value*.



*Metaphor mixed? Check.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yeah, and there are a lot of alt-right people in Congress. But still, a political deal to keep a POTUS out of jail seems to me to be something the POTUS must have respect in order to earn it. Who respects this guy? People like Pence and Ryan kiss his ass to get stuff, but respect? I don't see it.

Speaking of a different time, were you around during Nixon? There was a big issue of, how could we send a POTUS to jail. I sure don't see that now. Hell, they chanted "lock her up" at Trump's rallies. No respect there for sure.
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I disagree with the highlighted. IMO there merely has to be less damage to the GOP in striking a political deal to keep a POTUS out of prison than there is in him going to prison.

In any case IMO it's never going to get anywhere near that far. Any investigation that starts to find tangible evidence will quickly be derailed by GOP committee members and sent off to investigate the Obama White House instead. ;)
 
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