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Getaway driver arrested for murder.

William Parcher said:
We don't know anything at all about the knife. It may have been a small Swiss Army folding that never left the pocket.
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Sure. The brass knuckles and the knife could both have been concealed in their pockets as they broke into the residence in order to rob it.

They sound like good boys.
 
Resume said:
Sure. The brass knuckles and the knife could both have been concealed in their pockets as they broke into the residence in order to rob it.

They sound like good boys.
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These things can be used in self defense by burglars in the event that they are wrong about the house being occupied, or if the homeowner arrives during the theft. Used to ensure a getaway and not necessarily to harm anyone. The masks prevent anyone from giving a description in case they are seen.

Burglars, not robbers.
 
Vixen said:
You guys sleep with one of these by your bed? :eye-poppi
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Are you suggesting that the victim slept with a rifle near his bed? It wasn't locked up in a bedroom closet or anything like that? When I lived in Hawaii my guns were in the bedroom, in a closet, in a safe.
 
William Parcher said:
These things can be used in self defense by burglars in the event that they are wrong about the house being occupied, or if the homeowner arrives during the theft. Used to ensure a getaway and not necessarily to harm anyone. The masks prevent anyone from giving a description in case they are seen.

Burglars, not robbers.
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Cadavers
 
William Parcher said:
These things can be used in self defense by burglars in the event that they are wrong about the house being occupied, or if the homeowner arrives during the theft. Used to ensure a getaway and not necessarily to harm anyone. The masks prevent anyone from giving a description in case they are seen.
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Yes, and those things might have gotten them shot. According to your link:
Mahoney said there appeared to be a strong case for self-defense . . .
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Wiliam Parcher said:
Burglars, not robbers.
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Maybe, maybe not.

ETA: If someone breaks into my house when I'm there, and they're wearing masks, I don't give much of a ****, they're robbers. There is no way to gauge their intentions unless they turn and run out the door. And even then, they might be getting their guns. The one way to be absolutely sure not to get dead when robbing or burgling is to not rob or burgle.
 
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William Parcher said:
They entered by shattering the rear glass door. The knuckles may have been used for that.
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I'd prefer something that put a little more distance between my hand/arm and the falling shattered glass. But they were young so they were presumably unsophisticated and now can never reach their full B&E potentials.
 
William Parcher said:
We don't know anything at all about the knife. It may have been a small Swiss Army folding that never left the pocket.
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I don't always give the benefit of the doubt
But when I do, it's to armed home invaders

Stay credulous my friends.
 
HenryLee said:
I'd prefer something that put a little more distance between my hand/arm and the falling shattered glass. But they were young so they were presumably unsophisticated and now can never reach their full B&E potentials.
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Sure, they are little *****, but that doesn't mean they can be euthanized.
 
theprestige said:
Seems like you and I actually agree, and 3point14 is mistaken about where the UK draws the line.

What if a householder happened to have gun and ammunition ready to hand for some lawful purpose? Would their use against a knife-wielding invader then be viewed as "proportionate"?

What if the householder were elderly, or infirm, or otherwise physically disadvantaged? What if they were able to put a locked door between them and their assailant, and in the time taken for the assailant to break through they get their gun and use it? Would that be viewed as "proportionate"?
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Yep all fine in the UK. The death would of course be investigated by the police and the householder probably arrested until the circumstances become clear.

Killing someone in self defence is not a crime in the UK.
 
sadhatter said:
Yeah, assuming they wanted a fist full of broken glass that is a great idea. I'm not buying it. What was the knife for making toast?
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They were wearing gloves so that may offer some protection for a glass door punch with brass knuckles. I'm speculating of course.
 
William Parcher said:
They were wearing gloves so that may offer some protection for a glass door punch with brass knuckles. I'm speculating of course.
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They'd best be really serious gloves that go up to the elbow.

That's really not how you break a window if you want to keep all your blood inside you.
 
3point14 said:
I think the figures bear out the argument that the death penalty is not a deterrent. - I am open to being corrected :)
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First time offender, not so much. Repeat offending gets cut back reliably.
 
arthwollipot said:
From what I'm understanding, this person can be charged and convicted of murder even though they did not actually murder anyone. Is that right? Does this mean that accessory charges don't even exist?
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Accessory would be like the guy whole stole the car for them KNOWING they were going to commit a crime that may involve murder.
 
Vixen said:
It was 'found on the deceased person's body'. I recall one survey showed an enormous number of people carry a knife. It doesn't show intent to use it, except perhaps in self-defence.
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Don't bring a knife to the bar .'. if you get in a fight, you're carrying a deadly weapon.

Don't bring a knife to burglary or robbery .. same thing.

Lots of people carry a gun too, see? :)
 
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