The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 24

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It really is a fallacious argument. Leopold and Leob were super-bright Ivy League types, filthy rich, and yet they thought it fun to entice a 14 year old boy into their car and murder him for laughs. They thought they committed the perfect crime. When caught, they played Prisoners dilemma, each blaming the other.

No it isnt and your Leopold and Loeb is another false equivancy. L&L had known each other for a years, not one week. Also, L&L worked their way up to murder committing petty crimes like burglary and arson. Sounds more like Rudy then Amanda. They also didn't commit thei killing on a whim. They spent seven months planning everything from the method of abduction to disposal of the body.

Also, neither is a woman and they weren't on what could be described an extended vacation of a lifetime. Amanda certainly isn't what could be described as a filthy rich type either when you consider she took multiple jobs to pay for her trip.
 
C'mon, certainly Vixen has evidence of Amanda acting crazy toward Meredith for her to compare Amanda to Arias. Surely, Filomena and Laura witnessed Knox acting violent or unhinged? The prosecution had to call witnesses from US said Amanda had often acted crazy.

Right?

I mean this girl must be crazy.


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It is a common misconception to confuse personality disorder with psychosis.

How lovely for her to prance about on the lawn whilst Mez lay mortally stricken, locked in her room and her two phones stolen.

Perhaps the keys are now encased in concrete.
 
Psychopaths need little reason.

Some schoolgirl in the US shot her teacher and classmates, sniping from her window, 'Because I don't like Monday.'

No evidence to support your assertion that either Knox or Sollecito were/are psychopaths. For all your comparisons you ignore the fact that these are well liked we'll adjusted people.
 
No it isnt and your Leopold and Loeb is another false equivancy. L&L had known each other for a years, not one week. Also, L&L worked their way up to murder committing petty crimes like burglary and arson. Sounds more like Rudy then Amanda. They also didn't commit thei killing on a whim. They spent seven months planning everything from the method of abduction to disposal of the body.

Also, neither is a woman and they weren't on what could be described an extended vacation of a lifetime. Amanda certainly isn't what could be described as a filthy rich type either when you consider she took multiple jobs to pay for her trip.

You have missed the point. The point is you cannot tell whether someone is a killer just by comparing them to yourself.


Fact is, Amanda's father, Curt was ordered by a judge to take an anger management course. Amanda was witnessed banging her head by various people so clearly has the same issues as her dad.

Amanda trashed the room of some girl who slept with her boyfriend, so is capable of vengeful behaviour.
 
It is a common misconception to confuse personality disorder with psychosis.

How lovely for her to prance about on the lawn whilst Mez lay mortally stricken, locked in her room and her two phones stolen.

Perhaps the keys are now encased in concrete.

You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever of Amanda or Raffaele having personality disorders or psychosis. It's been 10 years and Knox has been exonerated. I'm glad to see that she is starting to enjoy life. She deserves to.
 
No evidence to support your assertion that either Knox or Sollecito were/are psychopaths. For all your comparisons you ignore the fact that these are well liked we'll adjusted people.

I wouldn't know whether they are or not. I was merely pointing out that not everybdoy is wired the same way as you.

You said if you went on a holiday of a lifetime to Italy, you wouldn't slaughter your room mate.

That doesn't mean anything.

Restlessness is a characteristic trait of a sociopath, so it is conceivable that someone with sociopathic traits will be restless for the next adventure and looking for instant gratification.

Perugia was wellknown as a drugs hotspot, so druggie types might be attracted to it, in the same way paedophiles might be attracted to Thailand (cf Gary Glitter).

Look at Rose West and she looks like someone's dear old aunt.
 
No evidence to support your assertion that either Knox or Sollecito were/are psychopaths. For all your comparisons you ignore the fact that these are well liked we'll adjusted people.

Comparisons are odious, but Rudy was also well-liked and had lots of friends.

Yet you have no problems claiming he is the sole murderer/rapist, despite ALL of the courts (save Hellmann) having ruled as a legal fact, after looking at all of the evidence and hearing all of the testimony including professors, scientists and pathologists, that Rudy could not have acted alone.

None of them have any particular sympathy for 'the Ivorian', so you can't claim it's because Rudy had good counsel.

Accept it: it is established there were mulitiple attackers. Rudy was one. Marasca, Nencini, Micheli, Martuscelli, Masi have all said 'Amanda was indisputably at the murder scene and did wash off Mez' blood.'

Face the facts.
 
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Amanda wrote graphic short stories about rape and murder before she even arrived in Italy.

Oh, dear...here we go again with you playing fast and loose with the facts.

Amanda never wrote a story about rape and murder, much less "stories".

She wrote one story called "Baby Brother" about a brother's deep disappointment and anger over his brother drugging and raping a girl. The rape is only alluded to and is never described. No one was murdered. It's not a story about rape, but the destroyed relationship between the two brothers.
It was a writing class assignment. But very nice try at twisting it into a story of "rape and murder". Someone who was not aware of the truth would most likely actually believe you. We know better here.
 
Oh, dear...here we go again with you playing fast and loose with the facts.

Amanda never wrote a story about rape and murder, much less "stories".

She wrote one story called "Baby Brother" about a brother's deep disappointment and anger over his brother drugging and raping a girl. The rape is only alluded to and is never described. No one was murdered. It's not a story about rape, but the destroyed relationship between the two brothers.
It was a writing class assignment. But very nice try at twisting it into a story of "rape and murder". Someone who was not aware of the truth would most likely actually believe you. We know better here.

I've never heard of anyone being given such a class assignment.
 
It is a common misconception to confuse personality disorder with psychosis.

How lovely for her to prance about on the lawn whilst Mez lay mortally stricken, locked in her room and her two phones stolen.

Perhaps the keys are now encased in concrete.

So now you have Amanda prancing about on the law as Meredith's is dying. Evidence for this aside from your very fertile imagination?
It was Guede who went dancing after leaving Meredith suffocating on her own blood.

As for where the keys are, you'd have to ask Guede.
 
You have missed the point. The point is you cannot tell whether someone is a killer just by comparing them to yourself.


Fact is, Amanda's father, Curt was ordered by a judge to take an anger management course. Amanda was witnessed banging her head by various people so clearly has the same issues as her dad.

Amanda trashed the room of some girl who slept with her boyfriend, so is capable of vengeful behaviour.

Where do you come up with these nonsense stories? What I do know is there is no credible evidence of Amanda being involved in the murder of Meredith Kercher. None of her roommates witnessed Knox losing her temper. Has Amanda become angry about something in her lifetime? She's human, so I'd say yes.

If you don't think you can't judge people's character, you're wrong. Does that mean you might be mistaken? Yes, you could.

If there was actual credible evidence proving their involvement, then I would be wrong. But there isn't. It's a pathetic case.
 
I've never heard of anyone being given such a class assignment.

Writing a short story was the class assignment. We don't know what the topic was supposed to be if one was even given.

Would you like to admit now that she never wrote a story about rape and murder? Or, like a certain president, simply double down on your false claim?
 
You have missed the point. The point is you cannot tell whether someone is a killer just by comparing them to yourself.


Fact is, Amanda's father, Curt was ordered by a judge to take an anger management course. Amanda was witnessed banging her head by various people so clearly has the same issues as her dad.

Amanda trashed the room of some girl who slept with her boyfriend, so is capable of vengeful behaviour.

And yet more misinformation. You are just full of it.

Whether Curt was ordered to take an anger management class has nada to d0 with Amanda. Or do you think there's an anger gene for her to inherit?

Banging her head had nothing to do with anger. She slapped herself on the head, not someone else. sheesh

Amanda never trashed anyone's room much less for sleeping with her boyfriend. This was a lie spread by PGP that I've addressed before. No one could provide a single piece of evidence that ever happened. I challenge you to produce any evidence of it. Good luck; you'll need it.
 
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Comparisons are odious, but Rudy was also well-liked and had lots of friends.

Yet you have no problems claiming he is the sole murderer/rapist, despite ALL of the courts (save Hellmann) having ruled as a legal fact, after looking at all of the evidence and hearing all of the testimony including professors, scientists and pathologists, that Rudy could not have acted alone.

None of them have any particular sympathy for 'the Ivorian', so you can't claim it's because Rudy had good counsel.

Accept it: it is established there were mulitiple attackers. Rudy was one. Marasca, Nencini, Micheli, Martuscelli, Masi have all said 'Amanda was indisputably at the murder scene and did wash off Mez' blood.'

Face the facts.

Now, you're playing fast and loose with the facts. The experts (not judges)that testified all but one said that the crime scene did not indicate there had to be more then one attacker. Also, there is no evidence pointing to anyone else being involved. You face it. Rudy was the only one convicted of this crime because he did it alone. Wake up, it's over Rudy and Rudy alone is guilty.
 
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I wouldn't know whether they are or not. I was merely pointing out that not everybdoy is wired the same way as you.

You said if you went on a holiday of a lifetime to Italy, you wouldn't slaughter your room mate.

That doesn't mean anything.

Restlessness is a characteristic trait of a sociopath, so it is conceivable that someone with sociopathic traits will be restless for the next adventure and looking for instant gratification.

Perugia was wellknown as a drugs hotspot, so druggie types might be attracted to it, in the same way paedophiles might be attracted to Thailand (cf Gary Glitter).

Look at Rose West and she looks like someone's dear old aunt.

Since Amanda has never been diagnosed as a sociopath (well, except for that fake "psychologist" on TJMK, "MissRepresented" LOL), your post is irrelevant.

Since Meredith smoked pot along with Amanda (and everyone else in the cottage, upstairs and down), was she also a "druggie type" attracted to Perugia?
 
Writing a short story was the class assignment. We don't know what the topic was supposed to be if one was even given.

Would you like to admit now that she never wrote a story about rape and murder? Or, like a certain president, simply double down on your false claim?

She certainly has. In fact she wrote a second one in prison, about some girl without her top being stabbed by strangers at a party.

Someone put forward a theory Amanda went to Italy to specifically commit a murder so she could write a book about it. I scoffed at the time, but this case is so strange, it might even be so, meeting someone like Raff would have been a catalyst for her fantasies, in the same way Myra Hindley enabled Ian Brady's, or Rose West, Fred West's.
 
No evidence to support your assertion that either Knox or Sollecito were/are psychopaths. For all your comparisons you ignore the fact that these are well liked we'll adjusted people.


Yes. Let's have a look, shall we, at Brenda Spencer, the school-age girl responsible for the infamous "I don't like Mondays" (NB: not "Monday") shootings. And then we can perhaps compare and contrast with the known history of Knox and/or Sollecito prior to the date of the Kercher murder (my bolding for emphasis):


Brenda Spencer (born April 3, 1962) lived in the San Carlos neighborhood of San Diego, California, in a house across the street from Grover Cleveland Elementary School, San Diego Unified School District. Aged 16, she was 5'2" (157 cm) and had bright red hair. She is said to have self-identified as "having been gay from birth." After her parents separated, she lived with her father, Wallace Spencer, in virtual poverty; they slept on a single mattress on the living room floor, with empty alcohol bottles throughout the house.

Acquaintances said Spencer expressed hostility toward policemen, had talked about shooting one, and had talked of doing something big to get on TV. Although Spencer showed exceptional ability in photography, winning first prize in a Humane Society competition, she was generally uninterested in school; one teacher recalled frequently inquiring if she was awake in class. Later, during tests while she was in custody, it was discovered Spencer had an injury to the temporal lobe of her brain. It was attributed to an accident on her bicycle.

In early 1978, staff at a facility for problem pupils, to which Spencer had been referred for truancy, informed her parents that she was suicidal. That summer, Spencer, who was known to hunt birds in the neighborhood, was arrested for shooting out the windows of Cleveland Elementary with a BB gun, and burglary. In December, a psychiatric evaluation arranged by her probation officer recommended Spencer be admitted to a mental hospital for depression, but her father refused to give permission. For Christmas 1978, he gave her a Ruger 10/22 semi-automatic .22 caliber rifle with a telescopic sight and 500 rounds of ammunition. Spencer later said, "I asked for a radio and he bought me a gun." When asked why he might have done that, she answered, "I felt like he wanted me to kill myself."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego)


I think it's clear as day to any (reasonable, rational) person that the evidence of Brenda Spencer's upbringing and mental health state prior to her murder spree is....oooh......fairly close to 100% different to that of either Knox or Sollecito. Furthermore, Spencer exhibited the classic escalation of mental health issues, hatred for authority figures, and lead-up crimes of a more minor but highly relevant nature (in her case, burglary and shooting out of the windows of her school). All of this such escalation is a near-ubiquitous pattern for anyone who gets to the point of committing psychologically-motivated serious crimes such as murder (i.e. murder committed "for the fun of it", rather than, say, in the commission of another offence, or as a hot-blooded act*).

Simply put: had Knox and Sollecito truly constructed a plan that night to go over to the cottage and commit some nasty criminal act of violence/degradation upon Kercher - whether or not the original intention was murder itself - then there would have been clear evidence of these sorts of mental health issues and the classic escalation of violence and hatred within at least one of the two (and in fact almost certainly within both of them, given that they'd only even known each other for just over a week, and thus were nowhere remotely near building the required levels of mutual trust or dominant control....). There's absolutely no evidence that remotely matches the prior history of, say, an individual such as Brenda Spencer - and this in itself constitutes extremely strong evidence that neither Knox nor Sollecito ever carried out such a "thrill kill" attack.


* Note please (since I am confident that many pro-guilt commentators might be either too ignorant or too biassed to understand this nuance) that I'm talking about the requisite evidence of prior history for someone embarking on a "thrill kill" type of murder(s). Therefore, these rules do not explicitly apply to Guede as sole attacker/killer, since I think hardly anyone (least of all me) believes that Guede set out that evening with the aim of senselessly killing Kercher. Rather, Guede set out with the aim of burgling (US: burglarizing) the cottage, but was then unexpectedly interrupted by Kercher's return, and a confrontation ensued. It's my belief that Guede (as evidenced by his frequent rejection by women and his known harassment of women) then started to be overcome with a potent combination of fear and sexual lust..... and this resulted in his instigation of a sexual assault upon Kercher which evolved further into the stabbing (probably, IMO, when Kercher began to struggle as Guede started to carry out his sexual assault in earnest). And if that's anywhere near what really happened, then it's a completely different dynamic of crime, and there's no requirement for the types of extreme prior indicators that would be in place for someone deliberately setting out on a senseless "thrill kill" (though it's very likely that someone committing such a crime a) would have carried out more than one prior burglary, and b) would have tried and failed to carry out prior low-level physical/sexual assaults of women. Hmmmmmmmmm.........
 
Since Amanda has never been diagnosed as a sociopath (well, except for that fake "psychologist" on TJMK, "MissRepresented" LOL), your post is irrelevant.

Since Meredith smoked pot along with Amanda (and everyone else in the cottage, upstairs and down), was she also a "druggie type" attracted to Perugia?


Kercher not only smoked illegal drugs: she was also in a sexual relationship with a man who cultivated illegal drugs for both personal use and for dealing. She even agreed to tend to her lover's illegal drug plants while he was away over than long holiday at the start of November. Obviously Kercher was the sort of druggie type who was attracted to a city such as Perugia for that very reason, and she was also obviously attracted to the production and dealing of illegal drugs.

(I am hoping that all intelligent people with well-developed reasoning skills will entirely understand the point being made here. I wonder if anyone will fail to understand it.....)
 
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