JFK Conspiracy Theories IV: The One With The Whales

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Reclaiming History by Bugliosi is easily the best book on the subject. Most exhaustive exploration of the topic I've seen.
 
HSienzant said:
Already did, multiple times.

The best testimony is that taken within a year or less of the incident. The further away from the incident we get, the more likely memories are going to be wrong. The 1965 testimony you cite is likely to be the most accurate. Comparing it to testimony in 1978 to the HSCA or 1996 to the ARRB is a fool's game, and trying to make sense of all of it is simply going to introduce errors into your conclusions.

It needs no further explication.

Hank
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Hank, the post I linked was about the cranial opening apparent on the back wound photo. Can you respond to that?
 
HSienzant said:
The bullet that struck Connally caused an elliptical entry wound on Connally - indicating it had been yawing. What would cause that yaw?
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This just about sums up your tactics for arguing on the internet. Pages ago, you all agreed that an elliptical wound isn't very significant because Kennedy's small head wound was elliptical (15mm x 6mm).

Based on JFK's position in the limo, it was a downward path relative to the road. Dale Myers shows how the bullet's course can only be explained by a single bullet injuring both men:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM
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http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12c%3Aanimania
 
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HSienzant said:
The bullet that struck Connally caused an elliptical entry wound on Connally - indicating it had been yawing. What would cause that yaw?
MicahJava said:
This just about sums up your tactics for arguing on the internet. Pages ago, you all agreed that an elliptical wound isn't very significant because Kennedy's small head wound was elliptical (15mm x 6mm).
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You mean this?

MicahJava said:
Instability and yawing of bullets can cause elliptical holes.
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MicahJava said:
So you think Kennedy's small head wound was caused by an unstable bullet?
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Please don't put words in my mouth, and I'll extend the same courtesy to you.

Still waiting for you to explain the genesis of the bullet that was found at Parkland... was it a planted bullet, a bullet that survived a different shooting intact, or was it a bullet from the Kennedy assassination?

What did you come up with thus far?

Hank
 
MicahJava said:
Free ebook link for the 2013 edition (there's a 2016 edition, but it doesn't add too much more): Reclaiming Parkland: Tom Hanks, Vincent Bugliosi, and the JFK Assassination in the new Hollywood

Omitted chapter on Mexico City: http://feralhouse.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Oswald-in-Mexico-_-excised-from-Reclaiming-Parkland.pdf
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Reclaiming Parkland also includes extended looks at the little-known aspects of the lives and careers of Bugliosi, Hanks, and Goetzman--including Bugliosi’s three attempts at political office and a review of the Tate-LaBianca murders in the light of today’s knowledge of that case. DiEugenio also looks at the connections between Washington and Hollywood, as well as the CIA influence in the film colony today.
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So a hatchet job on Bugliosi (and Hanks and Goetzman) rather than addressing the substance of Bugliosi's book.

Thanks.
I'll pass.

Hank
 
HSienzant said:
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Reclaiming Parkland also includes extended looks at the little-known aspects of the lives and careers of Bugliosi, Hanks, and Goetzman--including Bugliosi’s three attempts at political office and a review of the Tate-LaBianca murders in the light of today’s knowledge of that case. DiEugenio also looks at the connections between Washington and Hollywood, as well as the CIA influence in the film colony today.
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So a hatchet job on Bugliosi (and Hanks and Goetzman) rather than addressing the substance of Bugliosi's book.

Thanks.
I'll pass.

Hank
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The book is basically a long review the 1986 mock trial and Reclaiming History.

The ebook version I linked is an Amazin Kindle AZW file, so it must be used in conjunction with Amazon Kindle software.

Also, here's an ebook of Destiny Betrayed, second edition:

http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=67F7C1DDFB0700DDB1736B0EF8C09A68

This is an EPUB ebook file. It can be used with Amazon digital editions and other various programs that work with EPUB files (regular Adobe Acrobat or Foxxit pdf reader doesn't work).
 
HSienzant said:
Please don't put words in my mouth, and I'll extend the same courtesy to you.
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Kennedy's head was turned about 17 degrees away from the sniper's nest at z313, and we are supposed to believe one bullet at that moment made a very elliptical 15x6mm entry wound. No explanation for why that wound was so elliptical besides obfuscation about a red spot on an autopsy photo that doesn't match the size, shape or location originally reported.

Meanwhile, we are also told that Connally's torso was turned significantly away from the snipers nest at the time of ~z222. Oh, his back wound was elliptical, so it must be because the bullet was unstable, and only because because it passed through Kennedy first. Some people like Bugliosi really stretch it and say Connally's elliptical back wound is "proof" of the SBT. It barely passes for evidence.

Still waiting for you to explain the genesis of the bullet that was found at Parkland... was it a planted bullet, a bullet that survived a different shooting intact, or was it a bullet from the Kennedy assassination?

What did you come up with thus far?

Hank
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That's not what I came here for. I can already see that this is a case where forensic evidence is deliberately kept vague and malleable. I'm still waiting for you to explain how Dr. Finck could see the imagined cowlick entry wound when he arrived by the time the cranium was opened as big as you can see on the back wound photo.
 
MicahJava said:
Meanwhile, we are also told that Connally's torso was turned significantly away from the snipers nest at the time of ~z222. Oh, his back wound was elliptical, so it must be because the bullet was unstable, and only because because it passed through Kennedy first. Some people like Bugliosi really stretch it and say Connally's elliptical back wound is "proof" of the SBT. It barely passes for evidence.
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But the bullet itself passes much better for evidence. It's flattened at the base, but not damaged significantly at the tip. That means it hit something hard, base first. What's the scenario where that could happen?
 
Reheat said:
I'm not so sure about that. At least two shots were very close together.
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According to earwitnesses? I don't see how you could conclude that from the Zapruder film.


Also, the back wound was much lower than the throat wound based on photos. That means it was not a pass thru. It wasn't a neck wound in the rear, it was lower in the back.
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The Warren Commission, and the first few decades of researchers, didn't have the benefit of 3D Cad models, but those who have had it say the wounds line up just like they need to for the single bullet to work. They've even used the wound locations to trace the line backward to estimate a cone of space from which the shot could have been fired. Guess which window was in the cone?

So, maybe they were incompetent? I suppose it's possible, although the tools are common enough today that it shouldn't be very difficult to recreate the work, and refute it by correcting any errors. Or, they were accessories after the fact, participating in the cover-up? Call up that accountant again. We need more checks.
 
Meadmaker said:
But the bullet itself passes much better for evidence. It's flattened at the base, but not damaged significantly at the tip. That means it hit something hard, base first. What's the scenario where that could happen?
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How can you know that to the exclusion of some filler like cotton wadding, ballistics gel, straw or water, or even something like a shot with a sabot?

Even meticulous JFK documenter and lone nutter David Von Pein admits that the experiment from the Discovery Channel's Beyond The Magic Bullet is "the closest we're likely to ever get to a perfect duplication of the single bullet theory"

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MicahJava said:
How can you know that to the exclusion of some filler like cotton wadding, ballistics gel, straw or water, or even something like a shot with a sabot?
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You can't. It looks exactly like a bullet that was fired through something soft, possibly gel, cotton, meat, whatever, and then hit something hard.
 
I want to correct my post above. The screenshot I posted was pulled from David Von Pein's blog. The Discovery Channel's Beyond The Magic Bullet bullet was actually WAY more deformed than you can see there, the entire thing was bent at like a ~30-50 degree angle. They just held it up to the camera a certain way to make it look less deformed. Never trust these TV specials!

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Reheat, I would recommend not ordering Posner's book. He does so much lying and distorting that even Bugliosi called him out on it. He said he only studied the case for two years. I've looked at this kind of stuff on the internet almost every day for the past year and I'm just getting a grasp on the medical evidence. He even still pushes a book claiming that James Earl Ray shot MLK alone, despite several proofs being presented that it was a powerful conspiracy (just read Judge Joe Brown's testimony at the 1999 Memphis conspiracy trial to see some of the ballistics-related proofs that Ray was framed). Posner is as fake as his plastic surgery Ken Doll face.

If you want to see the current version of what you may call "the official story" here's Reclaiming History, in ebook form for free.

Pdf file: http://krusch.com/books/kennedy/Reclaiming_History.pdf

EPUB file: http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=8626620B2A87621180460EF2A4369145

MOBI file (works on Amazon Kindle software): http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=2eb2d9b1e312e46a12eb19e0f1663594

And here's William Manchester's The Death of a President.

EPUB file: http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=6B9BF7155AF8DB96FC667BF478FFA184

MOBI file: http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=01832B9C3A8EE96B7E11FC8857B29289

My favorite line in that book is "The Lincoln continues to slow down. Its interior is a place of horror. The last bullet has torn through John Kennedy’s cerebellum, the lower part of his brain."

Manchester interviewed Dr. George Burkley for this book, so this mention of the cerebellum is significant.
 
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