The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 24

[acbytesla]

You have wild ass in the US?

I hope so.

 

[Vixen]

Oh yes he did! And it smells like it came from there. You know BS is just chewed up grass.

This is not reasonable.

Micheli's MR is exceedingly sharp and well thought out.

Massei also is exceptionally bright - runs rings around Amanda's shenanigans.

Even Marasca couldn't resist taking pot shots at her blatant lies.

 

[Stacyhs]

Micheli ruled and found it reasonable to surmise that Mez kept one phone on her person so that her mum could ring her in an emergency.

There is an oultine in blood of where the phone fell on the floor.

Rudy's hands were bloody. Yet there is no blood inside the bag.

But there is a long strand of fair hair across the top of it.

This likely belongs to the person who last opened it.

Meredith was home. She didn't need to keep it on her person. Upon arriving home at 9 PM, the logical thing would be to change out of her street clothes. This would necessitate removing the phone from her pocket first. As LoJo said, laying it on the bed or nightstand would have been logical. Which brings up another question. Why on earth would Meredith still be fully dressed 2 to 2.5 hours after arriving home at 9:00 and "tired" as she told he friends? Get real. This is evidence she was attacked closer to 9:00 when she arrived home.

How does a bloody outline of the phone on the floor indicate who took it?

His right hand would have been bloody since it wielded the knife. Logically, he used his clean left hand to reach into the purse. It wasn't slippery with blood, including his own from the later revealed partially healed knife cuts.

Holy crap, are you back to the long blonde UNDYED hair yet again? Sheeeeet, woman. How many times are you going to embarrass yourself over that hair?

 

[acbytesla]

This is not reasonable.

Micheli's MR is exceedingly sharp and well thought out.

NO, its crap.

Massei also is exceptionally bright - runs rings around Amanda's shenanigans.

More crap.

Even Marasca couldn't resist taking pot shots at her blatant lies.

I dont agree and I don't care. He found her NOT GUILTY. And so did Hellman. Yeah!!!

 

[Vixen]

Meredith was home. She didn't need to keep it on her person. Upon arriving home at 9 PM, the logical thing would be to change out of her street clothes. This would necessitate removing the phone from her pocket first. As LoJo said, laying it on the bed or nightstand would have been logical. Which brings up another question. Why on earth would Meredith still be fully dressed 2 to 2.5 hours after arriving home at 9:00 and "tired" as she told he friends? Get real. This is evidence she was attacked closer to 9:00 when she arrived home.

How does a bloody outline of the phone on the floor indicate who took it?

His right hand would have been bloody since it wielded the knife. Logically, he used his clean left hand to reach into the purse. It wasn't slippery with blood, including his own from the later revealed partially healed knife cuts.

Holy crap, are you back to the long blonde UNDYED hair yet again? Sheeeeet, woman. How many times are you going to embarrass yourself over that hair?

Phone logs indicate a struggle as an outgoing call to the first number in her contacts (Abbey National Automated Bank) was cut off circa 10:10pm.

You only want the attack time to be 9:00 because Amélie was still running.

Pathetically puerile reasoning.

 

[LondonJohn]

Micheli ruled and found it reasonable to surmise that Mez kept one phone on her person so that her mum could ring her in an emergency.

Which doesn't preclude in any way the possibility that Mez Kercher placed her UK phone (the one she used to communicate with her family) onto her bedside table or desk once she'd got into her room. Nor in fact does it preclude the possibility that Mez Kercher carried that phone with her inside her bag. So this is precisely zero evidence in support of the claim that this phone was in Mez's Kercher's jeans pocket at the time when she was confronted and attacked (and nor of course is it any evidence in support of the claim that her Italian phone was in her bag at that time).

There is an oultine in blood of where the phone fell on the floor.

Ditto: this is also zero evidence that one of Mez's Kercher's phones was in her jeans pocket and the other in her bag at the time she was confronted and attacked. In fact, it tends towards the suggestion that one or both phones were in neither Mez's Kercher's jeans or bag at the time she was attacked, and that rather one or both phones were either in Mez's Kercher's hand(s) or on a surface in the bedroom.

Rudy's hands were bloody. Yet there is no blood inside the bag.

Uhhhhhh..... where to start with this one? Well, firstly, you're aware that Guede, by his own admission, went to the small bathroom to clean blood off his clothing and his hands? Secondly, if you're claiming that one of Mez's Kercher's phones was in her bag, then you'd also have to claim that someone took it from that bag - and if (per your unsupported fantasy) Knox took the phone from the bag, then are you saying that the evil Knox (who, according to your fantasy, was wielding one of the knives) also had no blood on her hands...?

But there is a long strand of fair hair across the top of it.

No, there isn't. the incompetent morons in the scientific police (you know: the ones whom Mignini described proudly as "world-class" screwed up this alleged evidence. As a result, we do not know what that was. And if it was a human hair, we don't know to whom it belonged (hint: look at photos of Mez Kercher taken in the days before her death - she had fair-dyed strands of hair at each side of the front of her modern bob.....).

This likely belongs to the person who last opened it.

No, it doesn't. And see above.



So......... the answer is: No. It's impossible to support the claim that Mez Kercher had one phone in her jeans pocket and one phone in her bag when she was confronted and attacked, and you've provided precisely zero evidence to support the claim.

 

[Vixen]

NO, its crap.

More crap.


I dont agree and I don't care. He found her NOT GUILTY. And so did Hellman. Yeah!!!

SCENE: Criminal Court

JUDGE: And who do I have in front of me?

ACBYTESLA (for it is he): I'm the barrister for the defence, M'Lud.

JUDGE: Get on with it. Let's have your opening submission.

ACBYTESLA: It's crap, M'Lud. The charges are crap. The evidence is crap, the cops are crap, the prosecutor is Heap Big Crap, M'Lud.

<fx court titters>

JUDGE <fx bangs gavel> Order in court, order! Send this man down.

ACBYTESLA <fx voice faint in the distance> Jump in the lake yer 'onor! Crap! Craaaaaap! CRAP!

 

[acbytesla]

Phone logs indicate a struggle as an outgoing call to the first number in her contacts (Abbey National Automated Bank) was cut off circa 10:10pm.

You only want the attack time to be 9:00 because Amélie was still running.

Pathetically puerile reasoning.

No they don't. That is more wild ass speculation. Hellman speculated something entirely else. But the truth is we dont have a clue regarding this. The only things the phone logs show are the lengths of the connection. Not a God damn thing else.

 

[Stacyhs]

Italian police believe Amanda stole the phones. So did the Public Prosecutor (District Attorney) who decided there was sufficient evidence to charge her with their theft.

The person who locked Mez' door - almost certainly Amanda - is the same person who wanted to delay the body being found - the same reason given by Judge Micheli for removal of the phones.

LOL! The Italian police believed a lot of things that were later proved false. Let's see...the bloody shoe prints belonged to Sollecito, there was a bleach receipt, Amanda lied about the German Harry Potter book, no one could scale the wall to Filomena's room, etc. The prosecutor charged her with theft based on what exactly? The forensic evidence that placed her in the room and, in particular, on MK's purse? Oh,no.....that was Guede!. Her past history of having stolen cell phone and computers in her possession. Oh, no....again that was Guede! It's easy to charge someone with a crime but a bit more difficult
to prove it. Which is why she was not convicted of stealing the phones.

There is not a shred of evidence that Amanda locked Meredith's door or took her phones. Not one shred. Your "almost certainly" is about as "certain" that Trump was bugged by Obama.

 

[acbytesla]

SCENE: Criminal Court

JUDGE: And who do I have in front of me?

ACBYTESLA (for it is he): I'm the barrister for the defence, M'Lud.

JUDGE: Get on with it. Let's have your opening submission.

ACBYTESLA: It's crap, M'Lud. The charges are crap. The evidence is crap, the cops are crap, the prosecutor is Heap Big Crap, M'Lud.

<fx court titters>

JUDGE <fx bangs gavel> Order in court, order! Send this man down.

ACBYTESLA <fx voice faint in the distance> Jump in the lake yer 'onor! Crap! Craaaaaap! CRAP!

And the fan fiction continues. Koo koo.

 

[acbytesla]

LOL! The Italian police believed a lot of things that were later proved false. Let's see...the bloody shoe prints belonged to Sollecito, there was a bleach receipt, Amanda lied about the German Harry Potter book, no one could scale the wall to Filomena's room, etc. The prosecutor charged her with theft based on what exactly? The forensic evidence that placed her in the room and, in particular, on MK's purse? Oh,no.....that was Guede!. Her past history of having stolen cell phone and computers in her possession. Oh, no....again that was Guede! It's easy to charge someone with a crime but a bit more difficult
to prove it. Which is why she was not convicted of stealing the phones.

There is not a shred of evidence that Amanda locked Meredith's door or took her phones. Not one shred. Your "almost certainly" is about as "certain" that Trump was bugged by Obama.

I hear Obama was also born in Kenya.

 

[LondonJohn]

Phone logs indicate a struggle as an outgoing call to the first number in her contacts (Abbey National Automated Bank) was cut off circa 10:10pm.

You only want the attack time to be 9:00 because Amélie was still running.

Pathetically puerile reasoning.

The phone logs in no way indicate "a struggle", as you probably well know.

(Indeed, the fatuous Massei MR actually posited that those 9.59pm and 10.02pm aborted calls to Kercher's UK voicemail shortcode and Abbey (both of which failed automatically because the numbers were stored in "within UK" format, i.e. without the international dial code plus the UK's 44 prefix) were the product of Kercher "messing around" with her phone absent-mindedly.........)

The logs show that somebody used Kercher's phone to bring up, and then attempt to connect to, those two stored numbers. Both of them require separate multiple button push sequences, occurring over two minutes apart. So, in fact, the evidence actually tends to suggest that this phone activity was NOT the product of any sort of struggle.

Rather, the evidence tends to support the idea that someone was fiddling with Kercher's UK phone, ignorant of how it operated (it is possibly highly relevant that the phone's menus etc were all in English language, especially if the person fiddling with the phone did not have this level of grasp of English (now who could that person be....?)), and pressing somewhat random buttons.

The evidence is actually suggestive of the concept of someone trying to figure out how to turn off the phone or at least place it into silent mode. The same someone who managed to turn off Kercher's Italian phone (ostensibly without difficulty, since there was no similar activity on that phone around that time). Now, who do we know who might find it rather easy to turn off an Italian cellphone but who might struggle with an unfamiliar UK phone with English-language menus and screens? Someone who would be on his own, and thus unable to, say, turn and ask an English-speaking accomplice what the words on the UK phone meant and how to turn it off? Hmmm...... who might that be?


(PS: Lovely repurposing of my "puerile" from literally minutes earlier! Great stuff!! Well done!)

 

[Vixen]

LOL! The Italian police believed a lot of things that were later proved false. Let's see...the bloody shoe prints belonged to Sollecito, there was a bleach receipt, Amanda lied about the German Harry Potter book, no one could scale the wall to Filomena's room, etc. The prosecutor charged her with theft based on what exactly? The forensic evidence that placed her in the room and, in particular, on MK's purse? Oh,no.....that was Guede!. Her past history of having stolen cell phone and computers in her possession. Oh, no....again that was Guede! It's easy to charge someone with a crime but a bit more difficult
to prove it. Which is why she was not convicted of stealing the phones.

There is not a shred of evidence that Amanda locked Meredith's door or took her phones. Not one shred. Your "almost certainly" is about as "certain" that Trump was bugged by Obama.

There is an old Yorkshire saying: 'Shut t'gob, pin back lug'oles, and put t'brain in gear'.

The person ringing the two phones to firstly check it was still ringing and then a perfunctionary quick three second job to register the call, is the person who knows the phones were disposed of.

Amanda did not switch on her phone until 12:08 - to ring Mez' phone for 16 seconds.

She claims she was worried whilst at the cottage circa 10:30. Why not ring Mez then?

A phone thief with the intent of gain, would at first opportunity remove the SIM card.

 

[acbytesla]

There is an old Yorkshire saying: 'Shut t'gob, pin back lug'oles, and put t'brain in gear'.

The person ringing the two phones to firstly check it was still ringing and then a perfunctionary quick three second job to register the call, is the person who knows the phones were disposed of.

Amanda did not switch on her phone until 12:08 - to ring Mez' phone for 16 seconds.

She claims she was worried whilst at the cottage circa 10:30. Why not ring Mez then?

A phone thief with the intent of gain, would at first opportunity remove the SIM card.

More speculation. It demonstrates none of that.

 

[Vixen]

The phone logs in no way indicate "a struggle", as you probably well know.

(Indeed, the fatuous Massei MR actually posited that those 9.59pm and 10.02pm aborted calls to Kercher's UK voicemail shortcode and Abbey (both of which failed automatically because the numbers were stored in "within UK" format, i.e. without the international dial code plus the UK's 44 prefix) were the product of Kercher "messing around" with her phone absent-mindedly.........)

The logs show that somebody used Kercher's phone to bring up, and then attempt to connect to, those two stored numbers. Both of them require separate multiple button push sequences, occurring over two minutes apart. So, in fact, the evidence actually tends to suggest that this phone activity was NOT the product of any sort of struggle.

Rather, the evidence tends to support the idea that someone was fiddling with Kercher's UK phone, ignorant of how it operated (it is possibly highly relevant that the phone's menus etc were all in English language, especially if the person fiddling with the phone did not have this level of grasp of English (now who could that person be....?)), and pressing somewhat random buttons.

The evidence is actually suggestive of the concept of someone trying to figure out how to turn off the phone or at least place it into silent mode. The same someone who managed to turn off Kercher's Italian phone (ostensibly without difficulty, since there was no similar activity on that phone around that time). Now, who do we know who might find it rather easy to turn off an Italian cellphone but who might struggle with an unfamiliar UK phone with English-language menus and screens? Someone who would be on his own, and thus unable to, say, turn and ask an English-speaking accomplice what the words on the UK phone meant and how to turn it off? Hmmm...... who might that be?


(PS: Lovely repurposing of my "puerile" from literally minutes earlier! Great stuff!! Well done!)

Rubbish. Mez rang home very regularly. It is a reasonable assumption the numbers would be stored on speed dial prefixed by +44.

 

[Stacyhs]

Phone logs indicate a struggle as an outgoing call to the first number in her contacts (Abbey National Automated Bank) was cut off circa 10:10pm.

You only want the attack time to be 9:00 because Amélie was still running.

Pathetically puerile reasoning.

A phone call is ended and you think this indicates a struggle rather than Guede simply hanging up because he can't do a damn thing with Meredith's bank since he doesn't know her pin, etc?

But, let's talk about a call that WAS most likely interrupted by a struggle: the 8:56 phone call to Arline. That phone call never made it through. If it was a simple dropped call, Meredith would have called again. She didn't. Ever. THAT is an indication that she was attacked at 9:00, a time that AK and RS were at his apartment.

How does the logic of that escape you?

 

[Vixen]

A phone call is ended and you think this indicates a struggle rather than Guede simply hanging up because he can't do a damn thing with Meredith's bank since he doesn't know her pin, etc?

But, let's talk about a call that WAS most likely interrupted by a struggle: the 8:56 phone call to Arline. That phone call never made it through. If it was a simple dropped call, Meredith would have called again. She didn't. Ever. THAT is an indication that she was attacked at 9:00, a time that AK and RS were at his apartment.

How does the logic of that escape you?

She had already spoken to her mother earlier. Dad, John, explains in his book, Mez walked along dark streets with the phone to her ear to deter would be attackers - made her feel safer, to be perceived to be connected to someone.

Another walk up the garden path.

 

[acbytesla]

Rubbish. Mez rang home very regularly. It is a reasonable assumption the numbers would be stored on speed dial prefixed by +44.

Speculation.

 

[Vixen]

Speculation.

It is not. All my numbers have the country code.

 

[acbytesla]

She had already spoken to her mother earlier. Dad, John, explains in his book, Mez walked along dark streets with the phone to her ear to deter would be attackers - made her feel safer, to be perceived to be connected to someone.

Another walk up the garden path.

You just make this crap up. I give you points for creativity. But absolutely none for logic.