Cont: President Trump: Part 3

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Emily's Cat said:
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Well, given that a large number of Clinton supporters have gone to great lengths in this thread to justify why her comment was perfectly acceptable... I was unaware that she herself had retracted it. Her supporters might take a page out of her book.
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That she apologized afterwards has been repeatedly mentioned, but it's sadly predictable how a biased filter can cause someone to either not see it or not remember it. Of course, you claim to be unbiased yourself and getting your information from unbiased sources, so it's just a real puzzle how you were unaware of her apology, but totally aware of and accepting of Trump's BS excuses that literally do not make sense.
 
I do sort of recall the apology.

But that leaves me with two possible interpretations:

1) Her comment was a sort of "Freudian Slip" - an insight as to how she really felt in her heart of hearts. If so, an apology doesn't really change that.

2) Her comment was carefully scripted ahead of time. In that case, it would be more an apology for not having understood the implications and/or ramifications of her prepared comment.

Either way, the apology doesn't just make things "all better" to those painted with the deplorable brush, no matter how wide or narrow that brush technically was.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
I do sort of recall the apology.

But that leaves me with two possible interpretations:

1) Her comment was a sort of "Freudian Slip" - an insight as to how she really felt in her heart of hearts. If so, an apology doesn't really change that.

2) Her comment was carefully scripted ahead of time. In that case, it would be more an apology for not having understood the implications of he prepared comment.

Either way, the apology doesn't just make things "all better" to those painted with the deplorable brush, no matter how wide or narrow that brush technically was.
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And hey, even if one wasn't actually painted by that brush, one can paint one's own self and wail and whine about that evil brush!
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I do sort of recall the apology.

But that leaves me with two possible interpretations:

1) Her comment was a sort of "Freudian Slip" - an insight as to how she really felt in her heart of hearts. If so, an apology doesn't really change that.

2) Her comment was carefully scripted ahead of time. In that case, it would be more an apology for not having understood the implications of her prepared comment.

Either way, the apology doesn't just make things "all better" to those painted with the deplorable brush, no matter how wide or narrow that brush technically was.
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I'd imagine the apology came out of desperation.
It was rather odd that trump took the moral high ground claiming the word deplorable wasn't politically correct after whining about political correctness, mocking the disabled, asking people to shoot his opponent, admitting to rape, accusing someone's father of assassinating jfk, plans to ban a religion and perpetuating that minorities were at fault for all among other things that, the word deplorable was the worst thing to happen.
His supporters that endorse and promote those values more than likely despise being called something that sounds vaguely French and took to twitter, giving themselves a meme promoting racism in the process and proving non-deplorability, of course.
 
Christ on a pogo stick. Mayor of Ankara cites Donald to tell journalists that the US founded ISIS.

And then there was Mr. Gokcek, who said that he believed that the Islamic State was created by the United States. As proof, he offered President Trump’s assertion that former President Barack Obama had founded the group as well as the observation that the Islamic State had never attacked Israel, which it would have done, he said, if it were truly an Islamic organization.
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Giz said:
Too many Democrats are channelling W.'s "If you're not with us, you're against us." with a vengeance.
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You're channeling in the same way Trump does. We are being told by this administration that if we don't agree with him, we are the enemy.
 
Emily's Cat said:
No, they were already Trump supporters. But at that point in time, there were a higher proportion of Clinton supporters in the mix. Clearly some of them changed their view.
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What in the blue hell are you talking about? Do you seriously think that the Trump voters would've changed their mind? You are constructing a fantasy version of reality in order to continue to maintain your claim rather than accept that you are wrong.

No, I haven't been 'had' by anything. Don't fall prey to the assumption that the only reason I can possibly have for disagreeing with a view is because I'm ignorant/conned/stupid etc.
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Strawman.

My point is that you've accepted an explanation that doesn't mesh with reality, presumably because it fits your biases.
 
Oh, my. I can't believe Conway said you can spy people through their microwaves that turn into cameras...

And Spicer...

Damn, it's like they're actually doing comedy.
 
Oh, I love it when political-types try and fear monger around technology.
Their ignorance is usually a wonder to behold!

You got a link for that?
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Just to continue the derail about Hillary's "deplorable" comment a bit further:

I was encouraged when she said it. It showed she had correctly identified a dark seam in the GOP base. These are people who will never have anything positive to contribute to a democracy. They should be called out for their bigotry, and they should be marginalized. Politicians should not pander to the bigotry and regressivism of the deplorables. The nation should not change to fit them. They should change to fit the nation.
 
Argumemnon said:
Oh, my. I can't believe Conway said you can spy people through their microwaves that turn into cameras...
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I can. She was raised in a barn by wolves, as we saw when she had her feet up on the sofa in the White House.

Really, though, the folks in the White House have no clue how things work. It's a problem.
 
Argumemnon said:
Do you seriously think that the Trump voters would've changed their mind?
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En masse? Almost certainly not.

But it would not have taken many "on-the-fence" or "swing" voters to be swayed to have swayed the election.

For instance, I would never in a million years have voted for Trump, in spite of being a registered Republican. My dilemma was whether to hold my nose and vote for Clinton. A totality of statements and actions by her, including the deplorable/irredeemable comment, smacked of a haughty elitism that made it hard, and in the end impossible, for me to pull the lever for her.

All of which in my case is academic - Georgia was going for Trump regardless. But I can only project that others may have had similar thought/reactions to her statements, actions and campaign.

Or not - all I can do is speculate.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
En masse? Almost certainly not.

But it would not have taken many "on-the-fence" or "swing" voters to be swayed to have swayed the election.

For instance, I would never in a million years have voted for Trump, in spite of being a registered Republican. My dilemma was whether to hold my nose and vote for Clinton. A totality of statements and actions by her, including the deplorable/irredeemable comment, smacked of a haughty elitism that made it hard, and in the end impossible, for me to pull the lever for her.

All of which in my case is academic - Georgia was going for Trump regardless. But I can only project that others may have had similar thought/reactions to her statements, actions and campaign.

Or not - all I can do is speculate.
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Is it haughty elitism to think racism is deplorable, now?

Anyway, Georgia came closer than I expected to not electing Trump. He won, but only with 51% of the vote.
 
Twitter thread by Paul Krugman:

"Can we talk about working-class Trump voters for a minute? Will they ever realize or admit how completely they were scammed? 1/

It's not just the fake populism, although that's a big deal. Older working-class voters would take an enormous hit under Trumpcare 2/

The CBO finds, for example, that a 64-year-old with an income of 26K would see net premium rise from $1700 to $14,600. Promises broken 3/

But also bear in mind that Trump voters believed they were choosing someone effective, who knew how to get things done. And here we are 4/

The first and most important legislative initiative is stupid as well as cruel -- complete incompetence in drafting and selling 5/

So Trump voters thought they were getting a smart guy who'd fight for them; got a self-dealing blowhard with no idea how to govern 6/

And all of this should, of course, have been obvious all along END/"
 
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