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Massive Wave of Hate Crimes against minorities follows Trump election.

jeffas69 said:
Waiting for evidence to come out about the rest before calling them hate crimes in light of all the "fake" ones is not dismissing them.
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Saying they are almost all fake is dismissing "almost" all of them. You really can't spin that any other way.
 
wareyin said:
Saying they are almost all fake is dismissing "almost" all of them. You really can't spin that any other way.
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You certainly can if you take the context of the entire post into account where he was the describing the ones where someone had been caught or it had been explained what happened.
 
jeffas69 said:
You certainly can if you take the context of the entire post into account where he was the describing the ones where someone had been caught or it had been explained what happened.
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Well, you can certainly try, but it takes some mighty powerful motors to spin "they are almost all fake" as not a dismissal.
 
One thing that you certainly can't do rationally is link all of the unexplained ones to Donald Trump like the original poster seems to be trying to do. I will admit that I may be wrong about that.
 
Sikh man in Kent says he was told ‘Go back to your own country’ before he was shot

Kent police are looking for a gunman who allegedly walked onto a man’s driveway and shot him, saying “go back to your own country.”

The victim, a 39-year-old Sikh man, was working on his vehicle in his driveway in Kent’s East Hill neighborhood about 8 p.m. Friday when he was approached by an unknown man, Kent police said, after talking with the victim.

An altercation followed, with the victim saying the suspect made statements to the effect of “go back to your own country.” He was shot in the arm.
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jeffas69 said:
One thing that you certainly can't do rationally is link all of the unexplained ones to Donald Trump like the original poster seems to be trying to do. I will admit that I may be wrong about that.
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No you are not wrong. Let me explain it. Victimhood in this time and place is currency. It's not one bit surprising to see people attempting to counterfeit currency.
 
An interesting post from the ADL dated February 27, 2017 on the threats against Jews in the United States:

But it is no wonder that so many feel especially vulnerable and anxious, and not only the parents of hundreds of Jewish toddlers who have been evacuated in recent months on 70 separate occasions from their preschools or the loved ones who have seen the resting places of their deceased relatives defiled by vandals. Pediatricians are seeing a spike in anxiety and panic attacks among immigrant children. Muslim parents are reporting that their daughters are questioning whether it is safe to wear headscarves to school. And the recent rollback of protection for transgender students likely will engender fear among those young vulnerable young people.
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http://blog.adl.org/greenblatt/pres...of-action-to-fight-the-surge-of-anti-semitism

Those threats are all part of the same thing, extremists on both sides have been emboldened by Trump's election. And if anyone is wondering why a Black man may be anti-Semitic, this article from the 1990's covers one of them...

n a conference on the African "Holocaust" (i.e. slave trade), organized by NOI, Khallid Muhammad, Farrakhan's national spokesman, "hammered away at the Jews.... Nobody wants to talk about what the Jews did," he said, "They are always talking about what Hitler did to the Jews, but what did the Jews do to Hitler? That question is never asked or answered." Farrakhan and Muhammad are willing to ask that question and they have an answer. The "so-called" Jews were really the aggressors, attacking Hitler and threatening Germany. Hitler was merely defending himself and his nation. What happened to the Jews was the will of Allah against a people practicing "a dirty religion" based on exploitation. These classic expressions of anti-Semitism should surprise no one. What is surprising and disturbing is the extent to which such ideas are being promoted on American campuses and how little effort is being made to combat them.
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http://faculty.ferris.edu/ISAR/archives2/mehler/academic.htm
 
In North America, there are far more people on the left that dislike Jews then on the right. That's probably not how it used to be. Israel is hated on the fringe left and of course most Muslims.
 
Caper said:
In North America, there are far more people on the left that dislike Jews then on the right. That's probably not how it used to be. Israel is hated on the fringe left and of course most Muslims.
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And in the alt-right. Don't forget us :D
 
Caper said:
In North America, there are far more people on the left that dislike Jews then on the right. That's probably not how it used to be. Israel is hated on the fringe left and of course most Muslims.
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And you base this asinine claim on...?
 
varwoche said:
And you base this asinine claim on...?
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There are no Nazi's anymore (in any meaningful sense), despite the lefts attempt to create it. The lefts anti-semitism comes from 1) their hatred of Israel and 2) their current marriage to Islam.

Try searching it.

Here is just a quick article from the NY Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/opinion/an-anti-semitism-of-the-left.html?_r=0

I wouldn't argue that there is more hate on the left then on the right. But specifically anti-semitism, yes I think it exists more on the left then on the right.
 
Caper said:
There are no Nazi's anymore (in any meaningful sense), despite the lefts attempt to create it. The lefts anti-semitism comes from 1) their hatred of Israel and 2) their current marriage to Islam.

Try searching it.

Here is just a quick article from the NY Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/opinion/an-anti-semitism-of-the-left.html?_r=0

I wouldn't argue that there is more hate on the left then on the right. But specifically anti-semitism, yes I think it exists more on the left then on the right.
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WTF? An opinion piece listing several unimpressive anecdotes occurring in England?!

Hey, don't mind me. I'm just a man which am a Jew (ethnic not religious) born and raised in North America.
 
wareyin said:
Well, you can certainly try, but it takes some mighty powerful motors to spin "they are almost all fake" as not a dismissal.
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jeffas69 said:
One thing that you certainly can't do rationally is link all of the unexplained ones to Donald Trump like the original poster seems to be trying to do. I will admit that I may be wrong about that.
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Exactly. The claim was made in the OP and that is where the "spin" can be found.

Perhaps these types of threads should be completely ignored questions rather than statements of "fact". "Is there a massive wave...?" My answer would be no, there is not a massive wave of hate crime since the Trump election.

We are many pages into this thread - does anyone here think there has been a massive wave of hate crime since the election?
 
mgidm86 said:
Exactly. The claim was made in the OP and that is where the "spin" can be found.

Perhaps these types of threads should be completely ignored questions rather than statements of "fact". "Is there a massive wave...?" My answer would be no, there is not a massive wave of hate crime since the Trump election.

We are many pages into this thread - does anyone here think there has been a massive wave of hate crime since the election?
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Other than the doubling of hate crimes in NY the week after, and all the bomb threats* and vandalism against Jewish cemeteries, you mean?


*The 92 or so that haven't been solved yet, that is.
 
Note also that just because one case (eight threats, I guess) has been solved, doesn't make it "fake". The implication of calling the threats "fake" is that they are a sort of false flag by the folks being threatened. This wasn't, and there's no evidence that any others were either.
 
Caper said:
In North America, there are far more people on the left that dislike Jews then on the right. That's probably not how it used to be. Israel is hated on the fringe left and of course most Muslims.
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If you want to make a stand supporting the Palistines, you gotta hate the Joos.
 
When I was a kid way back in the 80's, I think everybody on my rural Island thought Jews were Arabs.
 
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Caper said:
So I mentioned earlier that 2 out of the 5 cases I heard about last week turned out to be fake. With the Jewish cemetery vandalism yet to be solved. Well turns out at least one case was also fake... a different kind of fake, but fake.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-jewish-cemetery-management-article-1.2989288
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You only read the part of the article you liked? Typical of denialism. You have a conclusion looking for a theory.


No one has sufficient evidence nor can actually cite the actual number of reported incidents that are still open on the books. What makes the news, and is not unsurprisingly picked up by conservatives, reactionaries and reprehensibles is the ones that are able to be immediately solved/dismissed.
 
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