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Disgraceful! Richard Spencer Sucker-Punched While Giving Interview

As soon as violence is used against them.

Violence is used all the time against large numbers of people even now. Poverty is violence, for example, and it kills hundreds of thousands of people a year in the US. By your standards, could these hundreds of thousands of people start defending themselves against the violence against them? Such as using violence against the riot cops who are trying to stop them from taking the stuff they need to survive. Think about it. Hundreds of thousands of people rioting and looting, beautiful image, innit?

Or do your standards only apply to your personal cherry-picked forms of violence?
 
Violence is used all the time against large numbers of people even now. Poverty is violence, for example, and it kills hundreds of thousands of people a year in the US. By your standards, could these hundreds of thousands of people start defending themselves against the violence against them? Such as using violence against the riot cops who are trying to stop them from taking the stuff they need to survive. Think about it. Hundreds of thousands of people rioting and looting, beautiful image, innit?

Or do your standards only apply to your personal cherry-picked forms of violence?

:rolleyes:
 
How about just genocide advocates? Clearly advocating terrorism is fine for a death sentence as we bomb people who do that all the time. So simply advocating violence in general is enough to earn a death sentence by drone. That is how law and order works.
You already have a problem here. Spencer hasn't advocated genocide. (By all means, correct me if I'm wrong!) What now?
 
I am also getting tired of certain people not getting the difference between Advocating something,and actively plotting to make it happen.
 
I am also getting tired of certain people not getting the difference between Advocating something,and actively plotting to make it happen.

True. Neo-nazis in general advocate nazism, for example they might advocate it to their families or friends. Politically active neo-nazis on the other hand, like Spencer, are actively plotting to make it happen.
 
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I won't speak for Argumemnon, but only for myself. I have no objection to violence; I strongly object to aggression. If aggression is turned against you, or a loved one, or an innocent... by all means unleash violence to end that aggression. Then stop.

Words are not sufficient aggression to warrant a violent reprisal. No matter how odious or vile those words are, they are insufficient to justify violence in response. The person who resorts to violence in response to words is the aggressor, and should, by my moral platform, be met with swift and violent retribution for that action.

I'd qualify that a little, myself. "Fighting words" are, at last check, not protected by the first amendment, with good reason. Words can certainly constitute sufficient aggression to incite violence. However, that does come with the important reminder that the bar for that is actually remarkably high and certainly not satisfied by making up crap and trying to claim that they said it.
 
I'd qualify that a little, myself. "Fighting words" are, at last check, not protected by the first amendment, with good reason. Words can certainly constitute sufficient aggression to incite violence. However, that does come with the important reminder that the bar for that is actually remarkably high and certainly not satisfied by making up crap and trying to claim that they said it.

What "fighting words" do you believe are not protected by the first amendment?
 
It's a figure of speech, referring to the legal principle that in some contexts, taunts and similar are a form of incitement to violence, and are not protected speech.

Pretty much. It seems to have been restricted more in recent years, at least in some regards, but it's still an ongoing principle. Not all speech is legal, in short. Most speech is, but, for a quick overview, wikipedia is still an easy place to start looking. Inciting imminent lawless action, "fighting words," "true threats," and child pornography are examples of some forms of free speech that are not protected by the First Amendment.

Not just better, *different*.

I'd rate that as half true. Genocide is a form of ethnic cleansing, so not really different. Ethnic cleansing includes more than just genocide, though, and the rest is generally considered "better," so better would work.

With that said, dudalb's analogy would be greatly enhanced if "Rape" were substituted with something more in line with stabbing a person... if it's being done forcefully as per the normal use of ethnic cleansing. At last check, there are potential peaceful methods to do nearly the same thing, though, like giving substantial and very localized benefits to a group in an area accessible to them and making it uncomfortable, though not necessarily dangerous for them to stay where they were. That wouldn't count as ethnic cleansing officially, though it would generally accomplish much the same thing, albeit slightly slower.
 
Speaking of ethnic cleansing, who here would be happy to see a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Probably better to keep that question to the directly appropriate thread. I've been holding off on the comparison, myself, though. Either way, I've long been in favor of such when it comes to Israel and Palestine, as I've quite made clear there. Not so much for the US, though, given that the situations are and have been significantly different for a long time.
 
Good.



There's nothing casual about my dislike for political violence.

It appears to me that you don't even want to consider where you draw the line. I find that a little problematic as you come off so strongly against someone punching a Nazi.
 
As soon as violence is used against them. At that point, they have my full support in retaliating against their aggressor in kind.

Would you consider it as violence is being directed at them when political leaders stand on a podium and calls for ethnic cleansing targeting them? Or would they have to wait for said ethnic cleansing to actually begin?

ETA: Alternately... when they are willing to commit to an all out civil war and sacrifice law in order to achieve their ends.

Well, that's interesting.
 
I won't speak for Argumemnon, but only for myself. I have no objection to violence; I strongly object to aggression. If aggression is turned against you, or a loved one, or an innocent... by all means unleash violence to end that aggression. Then stop.

Words are not sufficient aggression to warrant a violent reprisal. No matter how odious or vile those words are, they are insufficient to justify violence in response. The person who resorts to violence in response to words is the aggressor, and should, by my moral platform, be met with swift and violent retribution for that action.

In your opinion. Obviously, I don't fully agree.
 

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