General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

[Steve001]

Thanks for the welcome. But are you so utterly delusional that you can no longer believe your own eyes? I SHOWED you the pictures!

Were you behind this? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn.../mike-pence-anti-semitism-cemetery/index.html
Tell us what motivates you to hatred towards the jewish people?

Though my words may not convey this sentiment what I write next I do so with unbridled contempt towards those that deny history.

You've come here to enlighten us fools I know, but the truth is we are already enlighten to the fact the Holocaust happened precisely as the survivors describe it.

P.S. By the way, as far back as my ancestry can be documented I don't have one drop of Jewish blood in these veins of mine, so you can't suspect I am the least bit bias towards the them.

 

[LeoMajor]

.....Aaaaaaaaaaand we are back to square one again......

 

[Ranb]

I have been banned from other forums for telling the truth. Let's see if it will happen here.

What other forums?

Excuse me if I cover old ground, but the holocaust was largely a fraud.

Very old ground. Have anything new to tell us?

For example, before war put an end to the program, Germany deported 60 to 70% of its jews to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement. That doesn't sound much like a genocide to me.

Where exactly are you getting these numbers?

Ranb

 

[The Big Dog]

I have been banned from other forums for telling the truth. Let's see if it will happen here. Excuse me if I cover old ground, but the holocaust was largely a fraud. For example, before war put an end to the program, Germany deported 60 to 70% of its jews to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement. That doesn't sound much like a genocide to me.

Also, I will include a couple of pictures of plaques from the holocaust memorial museum in Auschwitz. The old one on the left says that 4 million jews were murdered there. Though it is a little hard to read, the new plaque there on the right says that 1.5 million jews died there. (And even that was a vast overstatement) And if the numbers of deaths there were so overstated, you can bet your bottom dollar that they were at all of the other jewish internment camps.

I will include a couple of documents that tell what the real jewish death toll was at various jewish internment camps. Be sure to take note of when they were created. As for Auschwitz, it was said to have been the worst of the worst jewish internment camp. ("death camp") I will also include a couple of pictures of a swimming pool they had for inmates there. How bad is that.

I will also include some pictures of newspaper articles that appeared in various newspapers long before WW II. They all speak of something bad happening to 6 million jews. You certainly have been played for a fool if you buy the same crap in relation to the 'holocaust."

So you confirmed they killed 1.5 million Jews at auschwitz?

Good work! You will be awarded israel's highest honor!

Shalom!

 

[The Big Dog]

Hey here is a swimming pool for the concentration camp guards.

very posh.

Good place to clean off the ash from the crematories.

 

[Ivanesca]

Hey here is a swimming pool for the concentration camp guards.

very posh.

Good place to clean off the ash from the crematories.

Yep. This idiot fails right away. The so called "swimming pool"/water reservoir for fighting fires wasn't even in the extermination camp. It was in a different area, the Stammlager or the base camp, which as you said tended to either contain the SS staff or more"privileged" Prisoners.

 

[Ivanesca]

Here are the pictures of those newspaper articles I promised you.

I've seen this before. I see either stuff about how in the mid to late 1800s, the Jewish population of Europe was 6M, or attempts to raise 6M USD for impoverished Jews, or how the Jewish population of Russia in the early 90s may have numbered 6M. So? These articles refer to either the living population of Jews, or monetary amounts raised for them. It doesn't support your "case" at all.

If this idjit wants to be taken seriously, I suggest he starts by answering FORMER denier Eric Hunt's question: 1.5M Jews were deported to the places that history and now Hunt accepts were extermination camps. Hunt's question: if he and History are wrong, where did they go and where is the proof? Old crap from the 90s that the idjit is spamming doesn't cut it.

 

[Ivanesca]

The old plaque is wrong. The 1.5 million figure is the revised figure and dovetails nicely with Rudolf Hoess's estimates of how many people were killed at Auschwitz. Eichmann had told him 2.5 million people (mostly Jews) had been killed but he, as commandant of Auschwitz, felt that figure was "far too high". And he was the commandant so he should know ...right?

Looks like it was from 1979 ...

Let see, you're going to try and make the argument that the newspaper articles relate somehow to what happened to the Jews later? Good luck with that ...

2 things about the Auschwitz plaque.

1) The old plaque with the 4M number does not identify the victims as Jews. It specifically describes the victims as persons. This is in accordance with the USSR's official policy of "do not divide the dead", which meant suppressing the fact that in most of Russian territory and Eastern Europe, the Nazis specifically singled out Jews for extermination (really doesn't help the case that the Soviets "fabricated" the Holocaust, does it?). The same thing happened in Majdanek, where the Soviet authorities hid witness statements identifying the specifically anti Jewish nature of murders there. Bottom line: the 4M number does not refer to Jews and therefore has no bearing on the total death toll.

2) The 4m number wasn't a physical count: the Soviets assumed that the crematories ran 24/7 without fail and calculated the death toll based on their maximum theoretical capacity. In contrast, the 1.5M number was based on actual figures/numbers contained in the arrival and departure records and is therefore more accurate. This was why even in the immediate period after the war, most researchers ignored the 4m number and arrived at estimates close to the 1.5M number. Physical count beats estimate.

More importantly, the spammer is digging up old BS from the 90s. As I said, if he wants to be taken seriously, he should answer Eric Hunt's question.

 

[smartcooky]

I have been banned from other forums for telling the truth.

No, you've been banned from other forums for making unevidenced claims, refusing to back them up with evidence, repeating the same claims, and then abusing people who called you out for it.

 

[A'isha]

No, you've been banned from other forums for making unevidenced claims, refusing to back them up with evidence, repeating the same claims, and then abusing people who called you out for it.

He isn't even original about it, either.

 

[catsmate]

<snippage of long debunked lies>

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Another "the holocaust never happened, but those nasty jews really had it coming" poster. The cognitive dissonance never appears to bother them...

 

[A'isha]

For example, before war put an end to the program, Germany deported 60 to 70% of its jews to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement.

No they didn't. Approximately 60,000 German Jews fled to Palestine between 1933 and 1939. In January 1933, the Jewish population of Germany was 523,000, meaning the Jews who escaped to Palestine were just 11% of the German Jewish population.

The Nazis then proceeded to start murdering the ones that were left in Germany, killing almost three times as many of them as escaped to Palestine before the Allies toppled the Nazi regime.

Plus all the Jews that the Nazis murdered in all the countries they invaded, of course.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Also, I will include a couple of pictures of plaques from the holocaust memorial museum in Auschwitz. The old one on the left says that 4 million jews were murdered there. Though it is a little hard to read, the new plaque there on the right says that 1.5 million jews died there. (And even that was a vast overstatement) And if the numbers of deaths there were so overstated, you can bet your bottom dollar that they were at all of the other jewish internment camps.

So 1.5 million^*) murdered people is not a genocide in your book?

Ah, well...

How many innocent people must one, in your opinion, murder solely because of their origin before it is genocide?

Hans

*) Assuming, for the sake of debate, that we go with that figure.

 

[TheGoldcountry]

6 million didn't die, it was only 4 million.

Nah, less than that, 1-2 million. Maybe less.

Sincerely makes me sick to my stomach putting numbers on the success of a genocide project.

ETA: I see Hans shares my opinion.

 

[Ivanesca]

No they didn't. Approximately 60,000 German Jews fled to Palestine between 1933 and 1939. In January 1933, the Jewish population of Germany was 523,000, meaning the Jews who escaped to Palestine were just 11% of the German Jewish population.

The Nazis then proceeded to start murdering the ones that were left in Germany, killing almost three times as many of them as escaped to Palestine before the Allies toppled the Nazi regime.

Plus all the Jews that the Nazis murdered in all the countries they invaded, of course.

The Germans also blocked all Jewish emigration as of 1941, per Gestapo Chief Heinrich Muller. Naturally, this was when the extermination started

 

[smartcooky]

Another "the holocaust never happened, but those nasty jews really had it coming" poster. The cognitive dissonance never appears to bother them...

I find the idea of Holocaust denial almost a personal affront. My uncle was a British soldier (a wireless operator) with the 11th armoured division. They were the first allied soldiers to arrive at Bergen-Belsen in April 1945 (and a few weeks later, Neuengamme). He said they could smell the decomposing corpses for miles, and it was the only thing that gave them any idea of that they might find when the arrived.

That experience affected him very badly. It was difficult to get him to talk about it, but I do remember that he hated Germans until the day he died. I remember my Cousin telling me that one day, he came home having bought a BMW motorcycle, my Uncle would not speak to talk to him and would not allow him to park "that infernal machine" on his property..

After Uncle's death in 1985, we found a photo album that none of us (even his wife) had ever seen before. It was full of colour photographs taken at both Belsen and Neuengamme. His widow donated the album to Beth Shalom, a Holocaust Museum in England. Unfortunately, in those days, scanning photos wasn't a thing, so I have no copies.

Holocaust deniers all conveniently forget that many thousands of ordinary allied soldiers saw the camps and the bodies and the emaciated survivors. For many, that experience had a lasting impact, it changed them forever.

 

[jaydeehess]

So 1.5 million^*) murdered people is not a genocide in your book?

Ah, well...

How many innocent people must one, in your opinion, murder solely because of their origin before it is genocide?

Hans

*) Assuming, for the sake of debate, that we go with that figure.

This type of line of thought has always bothered me. The "it wasn't 10 million Jews, that number includes Slavs, Russians, Gypsies" or the " no, it was only x number of <<insert group>> that were killed".
It is an admission that the Nazis had extermination ie:genocide, programs for various groups. The Jews happen to be the biggest group, and one that existed within Germany itself.

No amount of minimizing makes killing millions for no other reason than their ancestry or religion, a good thing. It doesn't make the genocide programs any less disgusting. The attempts at minimization do however, make the proponent of such arguments more disgusting.

 

[jaydeehess]

6 million didn't die, it was only 4 million.

Nah, less than that, 1-2 million. Maybe less.

Sincerely makes me sick to my stomach putting numbers on the success of a genocide project.

We have all heard of the horror of a few people dead in a car accident. The idea of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions deliberatly put to death for no valid reason is an abomination, a horror worthy of the disgust any rational person would feel about it.

 

[dudalb]

No, you've been banned from other forums for making unevidenced claims, refusing to back them up with evidence, repeating the same claims, and then abusing people who called you out for it.

And then when he gets banned, he goes to his favorite White Supremist/Neo Nazi websites and brags about how he proved the Holocaust is a lie,and then was banned for it by the Evil Joos.......