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Why I will never regret voting for Donald Trump

MrFliop said:
There's only one reason that I, a voter from a swing state, voted for Donald Trump. The 2020 election! Let's be honest, this was one unique election, an entertaining outsider republican with a rabid fan base vs a dull low energy establishment candidate with a fan base of soccer moms. In the final days of the election I felt sad that this election would end. Hillary would win and every thing would return to normal in politics and in 4 years president Clinton would be up against another boring establishment candidate. An election she surely would have lost. But Trump winning would change everything. In the next election he would be up against the runner up in the Dem primary. Who was that again? Oh right, Bernard Sanders.

Sanders would be a fool not to run again. He nearly beat Hillary this time and created a large fan base. And for those of you who say he's too old to run. Think about this, he said after he dropped out of the race last year that he would again run and serve for another term in 2018. This means he'll be active in politics until at least 2025. And yes he would be 77 if he starts campaigning in 2019, but remember that congressman Ron Paul was 76 when he campaigned for president in 2012.

Just think about it. The 2020 election will make this one seem boring. It will be the ultimate Republican vs the ultimate Democrat. It would be like JFK vs Ronald Reagan.
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Not buying it.
 
The OP isn't that far a cry from the more common "If we elect really bad person from political stripe X everyone will finally realize how bad political stripe X is" which gets trotted out in various forms fairly often and which literally never works.

"Lose a battle to win a war" is a necessary strategy in certain scenarios, but rarely seems to pan out the way people want it to in politics.

Don't think that's what the OP is arguing for, just that it strikes me as similar.
 
Also.

If the Democratic Party runs any candidate in the 2020 election which is already a well known member of the party they will lose and they deserve it.

The Democrats need a fresh face. The concept of "The establishment" is what lost them this one.
 
The important thing isn't winning or losing; the important thing is to keep the game going.
 
You have one problem. Sanders will be 78 years old. The biggest risk to your strategy is father time.
 
You should regret it already.

Sanders was simply not a good candidate. Yes, he was good on some issues. So was Clinton. He simply failed to appeal to the dem's base, that's why he lost.

Get over it.
 
Lothian said:
If your foot hurts go see a doctor and get it fixed, don't get a gun and fire at it.
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Typical anti-USA hate - it is my constitutional right to shoot my foot off, and as soon as Trump sorts out Obamacare I'll be able to have the gangrene on my toes - hold on - sorry toe sorted out!
 
I have met Mr. Trump. He is no fool. Shrewd and cunning, rather than smart, perhaps. Entertaining is not, however, the word which I would use.
 
Mumbles said:
You should regret it already.

Sanders was simply not a good candidate. Yes, he was good on some issues. So was Clinton. He simply failed to appeal to the dem's base, that's why he lost.

Get over it.
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I would not go quite so far. I think Sanders was a very good candidate. Considering that he is not, technically, a party man at all, he did much better with the party than expected. He helped to steer the party in a more progressive direction and to hold the old pols' feet to the fire. Ultimately he was not a good enough candidate to take over the party, and that's no surprise, nor does it suggest any cabals or conspiracies even if you think it's too bad. Hillary was an old party loyalist, as well as being, in the opinion of many (myself included) a decent and viable candidate. I think Bernie was a very good candidate, and I think saying he was not is, in a subtle way, to do the same thing the trumpies are doing, suggesting that Hillary prevailed only through the failing of her opponents.
 
There's a lot of political arguments or desires out there that, when you get right down to it, boil down to "I want the 'Other side' to screw up so bad that 'my side' finally gets everything it wants."

I've always found these rather distasteful. I did not vote for Trump. I did not want him to be our President. But I don't want the whole system do fail just so I can feel smug about "the other side" failing.

I want Donald Trump to fail politically. ("Fail" isn't exactly the term, but it's close.) But I want it to happen in a way that doesn't hurt the country. I still want him to succeed to a certain degree as President, because that's what's best for the country.
 
JoeBentley said:
There's a lot of political arguments or desires out there that, when you get right down to it, boil down to "I want the 'Other side' to screw up so bad that 'my side' finally gets everything it wants."

I've always found these rather distasteful. I did not vote for Trump. I did not want him to be our President. But I don't want the whole system do fail just so I can feel smug about "the other side" failing.

I want Donald Trump to fail politically. ("Fail" isn't exactly the term, but it's close.) But I want it to happen in a way that doesn't hurt the country. I still want him to succeed to a certain degree as President, because that's what's best for the country.
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I want to see Trump fail hard and quickly enough that he gets ousted before his cronies have time to root too deeply into the establishment. I want to see the Russian influence scandal blow up in his face and result in his impeachment, perhaps restoring some degree of confidence in the integrity of our election process.

If this happens I am going to be smug as hell, yes, but the smugness is not why I want it to happen.
 
The best thing that I have seen regarding Trump becoming the President is the comedy gold mine it has been for people like Alec Baldwin, Stephen Colbert, Samantha Bee, and just about anyone else into political comedy.

It gives a current meaning to the old story about how 'Rome burned while Nero fiddled'.
 
JoeBentley said:
The OP isn't that far a cry from the more common "If we elect really bad person from political stripe X everyone will finally realize how bad political stripe X is" which gets trotted out in various forms fairly often and which literally never works.

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That was pretty much standard in the Stalinist era of Communsim. The KPD (German Communist Party) openly hoped that Hitler would get into office because they felt he would implode and bring about the Communist Revolution in Germany. It did not turn out that way.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
"I will never regret voting for Donald Trump"

:popcorn1
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Ryokan said:
Let's burn our house down and see if a better one appears out of the ashes!
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bruto said:
I would not go quite so far. I think Sanders was a very good candidate. Considering that he is not, technically, a party man at all, he did much better with the party than expected. He helped to steer the party in a more progressive direction and to hold the old pols' feet to the fire. Ultimately he was not a good enough candidate to take over the party, and that's no surprise, nor does it suggest any cabals or conspiracies even if you think it's too bad. Hillary was an old party loyalist, as well as being, in the opinion of many (myself included) a decent and viable candidate. I think Bernie was a very good candidate, and I think saying he was not is, in a subtle way, to do the same thing the trumpies are doing, suggesting that Hillary prevailed only through the failing of her opponents.
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No, he was not. I'll give that Sanders did relatively well. However, he did not reach out to the dem's base. It's as simple as that.
 
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