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[Elagabalus]

Because logically I could not have known the five facts the girl told me, and that remains the basis of my certainty that some of it was telepathy. Besides, I was there. I experienced this for 18 months at the job, and in that amount of time they made mistakes. Some of which I have explained in previous posts.
I know the trainee manager told people to talk about me because he did it in my face once.

You're using this event to "calibrate" what is real and what isn't. Unfortunately, because you suffer from Paranoid schizophrenia, you simply cannot trust these experiences even though they feel real to you.

You'll just have to trust us on this one.

How are you able to get Abilify? Who prescribed it to you?

 

[Donn]

I am 90% certain I am right about everything, leaving only a 10% chance I am mistaken.

Oh well then.

 

[Butter!]

Scorpion, no one probably has to tell neighbors to talk about someone who was behaving erratically, firing off blanks, and threatening people! Gossiping about that sort of thing is pretty much what neighbors do.

Don't say they couldn't have known. You'd be surprised. I live in a large city, but way more people know my business than one might expect. It happens.

Can you really not see that?

 

[C_Felix]

Dear everyone,

The OP's only post is the one that started this thread.

Troll maybe?

 

[Mike!]

Dear everyone,

The OP's only post is the one that started this thread.

Troll maybe?

Hard to say, despite the single post, their public profile history says they were just here yesterday earlier today. Curious troll perhaps?

 

[trustbutverify]

I am 90% certain I am right about everything, leaving only a 10% chance I am mistaken.

That's actually pretty good, considering the answer I usually get to this type of question. Give me another 2%... 88/12.

 

[Donn]

That's actually pretty good, considering the answer I usually get to this type of question. Give me another 2%... 88/12.

That's a slippery hope man!

 

[Scorpion]

Scorpion, no one probably has to tell neighbors to talk about someone who was behaving erratically, firing off blanks, and threatening people! Gossiping about that sort of thing is pretty much what neighbors do.

Don't say they couldn't have known. You'd be surprised. I live in a large city, but way more people know my business than one might expect. It happens.

Can you really not see that?

Yes, but my conclusions remain the same.
I drew my self to the attention of the police. They labeled me a psychopath. A clinical psychologist was consulted and he told people to talk about me deliberately to drive me to a breakdown. I say it was probably a clinical psychologist and not a psychiatrist but most people do not know the difference. But a psychiatrist is a doctor who has a duty of care and they would be less likely to try and break someone down.

I heard my neighbour say, "The psychiatrist said, I know what's wrong with him, he is hypersensitive and needs a spell in hospital"
I heard my landlady say " The psychiatrist said " If you want him to have a breakdown just keep lying to him".

As far as I am concerned I was not just paranoid , I was also persecuted.

 

[abaddon]

Yes, but my conclusions remain the same.
I drew my self to the attention of the police. They labeled me a psychopath.

Assuming your description of events is accurate, why would such a reaction surprise you?

A clinical psychologist was consulted and he told people to talk about me deliberately to drive me to a breakdown.

Were you present at said consultation?

I say it was probably a clinical psychologist and not a psychiatrist but most people do not know the difference.

You might be surprised.

But a psychiatrist is a doctor who has a duty of care and they would be less likely to try and break someone down.

But you have no evidence that this ever happened, just claims that it happened.

I heard my neighbour say, "The psychiatrist said, I know what's wrong with him, he is hypersensitive and needs a spell in hospital"

Going by your own descriptions, this could well be true. I know I would be most uncomfortable with someone, anyone, wandering my neighbourhood mumbling, shooting blanks and making threats. You claim you did exactly this yet profess surprise that the cops were summoned. Do you claim this is in any way acceptable behaviour? What would you do if some bloke did this outside your home?

I heard my landlady say " The psychiatrist said " If you want him to have a breakdown just keep lying to him".

Quite possible. The psychiatrist might well have said tell him any darn thing just to placate him. You have entirely omitted context. These neighbours must live with you as best they can. The psychiatrist might very well have advised them that if they provoke you in any way, something untoward might occur. Seems to me that you are reading this backwards. If one of my neighbours behaved as you claim to have behaved it would be instant section 8.

As far as I am concerned I was not just paranoid , I was also persecuted.

The paranoia was sufficient.

Look, I am not having a go at you personally. I hope you get all the help you need. Indeed, it is a healthy thing that you even engage here and garner other interpretations of what you consider your persecution.

I can only hope that you at least consider the responses you get and think deeply about them.

 

[Scorpion]

abaddon, Yea, some might say I got what I deserved, but being psychologically tortured could also be said to be a cruel and unusual punishment. The only help I could get is to have evidence that everything I believe is true, then I could put it behind me. But the psychiatrist I tried to tell about all this did not believe a word I said and humoured me.

In any case it was the telepathic experience that caused me the most suffering, precisely because I could not be sure if I was going mad or being driven mad, which in itself is so confusing it drives you mad.

 

[Scorpion]

Hard to say, despite the single post, their public profile history says they were just here yesterday earlier today. Curious troll perhaps?

corta is online now. Hey corta, come on and say something. I for one would be very interested in anything you have to say about your experiences.

 

[abaddon]

abaddon, Yea, some might say I got what I deserved, but being psychologically tortured could also be said to be a cruel and unusual punishment. The only help I could get is to have evidence that everything I believe is true, then I could put it behind me. But the psychiatrist I tried to tell about all this did not believe a word I said and humoured me.

I shall make two points on this score. That is all about your perception of events. Your perception is not necessarily accurate.

Second, not every therapist actually works with every client. I know this from experience. I went through several some years ago before I found one that turned my life around. I still have contact with the guy in a no professional context because as it turns out, we have several interests in common. Your take away thought here must be that not every therapist fits with every person or problem. One must continue to seek until one finds a best fit. A sample of one is useless. If a given therapist does not work, move on to the next one until you find one that does. In my case, I knew too much. I could spot the trite, formulaic nonsense almost before it was trotted out by rote. Eventually, I happened upon this guy and it was foot, nail, floor. He was a laser beam cutting through my intellectual thicket.

In any case it was the telepathic experience that caused me the most suffering, precisely because I could not be sure if I was going mad or being driven mad, which in itself is so confusing it drives you mad.

And therein lies the rub. You are unable to tell if you are mad, or everyone else is mad. Or vindictive. Or much of anything.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Yea, some might say I got what I deserved...

I wouldn't say 'deserved'. It wasn't your fault you were ill. Maybe you got what you might expect in the circumstances, allowing for your distorted recollections due to illness.

... but being psychologically tortured could also be said to be a cruel and unusual punishment. The only help I could get is to have evidence that everything I believe is true, then I could put it behind me. But the psychiatrist I tried to tell about all this did not believe a word I said and humoured me.

It's not realistic to think that the only way to get over these distressing memories is for things you recall to be proven true when they were distortions of reality and never 'true' to begin with.

In any case it was the telepathic experience that caused me the most suffering...

No, it was the effects of your illness which caused your suffering. It was imagined telepathic experience. There is no such thing as telepathy.

 

[Scorpion]

There is no such thing as telepathy.

No, no, no, you're wrong.

 

[abaddon]

No, no, no, you're wrong.

Evidence?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

No, no, no, you're wrong.

The evidence says otherwise.

JREF bet a million dollars nobody could demonstrate it happening and for year after year nobody has.

 

[Scorpion]

I wouldn't say 'deserved'. It wasn't your fault you were ill.

That reminds me that I went to a spiritualist church a few years ago and on two separate occasions mediums gave me a message and mentioned that I had been going through troubles. One said "it's now coming to an end" and both mediums said "don't blame yourself".

 

[Donn]

Yes, but my conclusions remain the same.

This yes-buttery is a flag; you should notice when you perform it. Yes-but allows you to completely discard input and replace it with belief.

"You can't fly. When you jump from the bridge you'll plummet to your death."
"Yes, but ... I believe it!"
Cue hearse.

As far as I am concerned I was not just paranoid , I was also persecuted.

Paranoia/persecution are primary symptoms of your disease.

The only help I could get is to have evidence that everything I believe is true, then I could put it behind me.

Read those words, your own words, again. You want evidence for what you believe is true.

1) Your belief comes before any evidence.
2) You want only confirmatory evidence to embolden your belief.

At the very least, you should acknowledge this is fallacious. You can't wish your disease away by pretending the symptoms where not in your head.

In any case it was the telepathic experience that caused me the most suffering, precisely because I could not be sure if I was going mad or being driven mad, which in itself is so confusing it drives you mad.

It will be much clearer when you become brave enough to ask yourself one little question: "What if there was no telepathy in the picture?"

 

[Scorpion]

corta, thanks for the PM but I like to keep my dialogue in the forum not in PM's.

I would be very happy to discuss this with you but on your thread not in PM's

Please ask me the question again on this thread, which I have hi jacked since your absence. But I am happy to take a back seat if you post on it.

Ha! that PM has disappeared, maybe I imagined it.

 

[Scorpion]

"What if there was no telepathy in the picture?"

It would just mean I was hallucinating all of the time instead of some of the time. I already know I hallucinate and if I knew that's all it was I would ignore everything I heard. Just like I learned to ignore the voices in my ears that made no sense when I first developed schizophrenia. But I could not ignore what was really happening, and had to try and deal with persecution by both psychology and psychic means.
As far as I am concerned it all happened just as I say it did. 90% sure.