My thougts are transmitted for real

[Scorpion]

This is hopelessly nutty reasoning. Please seek help. You don't have to live this way.

Sorry about your mother, it must have been hard, but that's no reason to write me off too. I maintain everything I have said is rational.
I put it to you that if the police in a small town were informed by a prominent citizen that someone had made threats against them they would be duty bound to investigate it. Especially in this case because some of the police were his friends. If they then found they were dealing with an untreated schizophrenic that might be dangerous they would want to see that person under control and treated in hospital. So what better way than to drive that mentally unstable person to a breakdown by psychological abuse.

They probably thought I would crack in a week, but I was not so easy to undermine. I remember one incident where the next door neighbours were talking about me deliberately in their garden and I shouted something I can't remember. But I remember the neighbours reply, he said " Oh my God he is in the bathroom, they told us not to do it unless he was further away than that".

The bathroom was right over their garden, and clearly the police had told people to only talk about me when I was too far away to hear clearly.

Another thing I heard the neighbour say was. " The psychiatrist said I know what's wrong with him, he is hypersensitive and he needs a spell in hospital"


That same neighbour eventually shouted at me from the garden," If you don't shut up we will get you put away" This was because I was ranting to myself while drunk. Two days later two doctors and a social worker backed by three police officers came to see me, but I talked my way out off getting sectioned.
But their appearance was clear evidence that the neighbour had tried to get me into a hospital.

I know it's frustrating that a loony like me will not just give up and lay down and die, but I am too mentally strong to be easily driven mad by people that do not even know there is a spirit world. I do know this as I have had evidence of that too. I could control my chakras and heal myself by channeling psychic energy through them . The police did not know what they were messing with, but they do by now and they leave me alone.

 

[Scorpion]

Except that there is no such strategy, policy or even any such thing as a psychic.

Does not the fact that you are frankly discussing things which do not exist as though they were real give you any pause for thought?

I have though about it endlessly for years and years, and my conclusions remain the same. There is a spirit world, telepathy exists, some people are genuine psychics ,and some policemen are bastards.

 

[Scorpion]

Pm me, I am a real mental health professional and have seen all kinds of treatments work. here let me read this and tell you what I think.

At first I checked to see if this was all new to you, and no, my gods!, you have been struggling with this since 1969. Think of it this way, if you were any kind of telepath you would have figured it out by now, so its best to put it behind you. I know living alone this things can stick, but for me most of my past is like some kind of grey fuzz, I can bring it up with a reasonable degree of accuracy but I don't spend much time pondering it. What I usually tell people is to concentrate on what their goals are, your goal could be education. Education can work wonders for your telepathy since you will be smarter, have more dendritic connections, and probably have a more efficient brain than your non schizophrenic counterpart. Schizophrenics lose more grey matter, but grey matter is overrated anyway. It's like always being able to win at Trivial Pursuit, but you can't work because your back is bad. Obviously, by the stigmatizing comments made by the posters here, you can see that is possible, and even likely, for you to get better. I know you think its late to try, but really it isn't. Give something a try and let me know how it goes.

To put your mind at rest, I do now take 15mg of abilify once a day. I have been doing this for a few years to calm my nerves, because before that I was drinking excessively for the same reason and the alcohol was turning my brain to mush. I have not had a drink now for several years and I am quite stable. I have tried stopping the abilify from time to time but I experience too much stress and go back on it.

 

[Pixel42]

I put it to you that if the police in a small town were informed by a prominent citizen that someone had made threats against them they would be duty bound to investigate it. Especially in this case because some of the police were his friends. If they then found they were dealing with an untreated schizophrenic that might be dangerous they would want to see that person under control and treated in hospital. So what better way than to drive that mentally unstable person to a breakdown by psychological abuse.

They probably thought I would crack in a week, but I was not so easy to undermine. I remember one incident where the next door neighbours were talking about me deliberately in their garden and I shouted something I can't remember. But I remember the neighbours reply, he said " Oh my God he is in the bathroom, they told us not to do it unless he was further away than that".

The bathroom was right over their garden, and clearly the police had told people to only talk about me when I was too far away to hear clearly.

Another thing I heard the neighbour say was. " The psychiatrist said I know what's wrong with him, he is hypersensitive and he needs a spell in hospital"


That same neighbour eventually shouted at me from the garden," If you don't shut up we will get you put away" This was because I was ranting to myself while drunk. Two days later two doctors and a social worker backed by three police officers came to see me, but I talked my way out off getting sectioned.
But their appearance was clear evidence that the neighbour had tried to get me into a hospital.

Translation: a mentally unstable individual was causing concern in his community, to the point where the police and a psychiatrist were consulted. The advice given was that, although it seemed clear this individual would benefit from a spell in hospital. their behaviour did not (yet) warrant sectioning. Neighbours were advised not to discuss the individual where he could hear them, as that would feed his paranoia, but slipped up by doing so in their garden when the individual was within earshot. They also once (understandably) threatened the individual with sectioning when provoked by his antisocial behaviour. At one point the individual's behaviour deteriorated to the point where sectioning was seriously considered, but an interview at his home convinced police and social workers that it was still not warranted.

I know it's frustrating that a loony like me will not just give up and lay down and die, but I am too mentally strong to be easily driven mad by people that do not even know there is a spirit world. I do know this as I have had evidence of that too. I could control my chakras and heal myself by channeling psychic energy through them . The police did not know what they were messing with, but they do by now and they leave me alone.

Translation: Eventually (after episodes of paranoia that led him to seek paranormal explanations of mundane experiences) the individual did reach the point where medical treatment was sought and received. He is now on medication, which has modified his behaviour to the point where he is no longer considered a concern to his community.

 

[Scorpion]

Translation: a mentally unstable individual was causing concern in his community, to the point where the police and a psychiatrist were consulted. The advice given was that, although it seemed clear this individual would benefit from a spell in hospital. their behaviour did not (yet) warrant sectioning. Neighbours were advised not to discuss the individual where he could hear them, as that would feed his paranoia, but slipped up by doing so in their garden when the individual was within earshot. They also once (understandably) threatened the individual with sectioning when provoked by his antisocial behaviour. At one point the individual's behaviour deteriorated to the point where sectioning was seriously considered, but an interview at his home convinced police and social workers that it was still not warranted.

You didn't know my neighbour. He was a bastard, one time he said of me.
"I think the best thing he can do is shoot himself"
He finally got me evicted and his parting shot was.
"Thank God we finally got rid of him"

So much for community care.

 

[MikeG]

There is a spirit world

Wrong

telepathy exists

Wrong

some people are genuine psychics

Wrong

and some policemen are bastards.

Correct

1/4 = 25% Must do better.

 

[Pixel42]

You didn't know my neighbour. He was a bastard, one time he said of me.
"I think the best thing he can do is shoot himself"
He finally got me evicted and his parting shot was.
"Thank God we finally got rid of him"

So much for community care.

I have to say that if I had a neighbour who kept me awake at night with drunken rants I would be less than favourably disposed to them too, though I hope I would try to be more understanding than your neighbour if it was clear that the guy was mentally ill and it was not his fault. I would also discuss him with others in the community to try to decide the best way to deal with him, consult the police and social workers if his behaviour continued to be antisocial, and heave a sigh of relief when he finally moved out.

I've come up with a possible explanation of your experiences with the apparently psychic colleague. "He thinks X when Y is really the case" does not, of course mean that the person who is saying it can read minds; it's possible to work out what someone is thinking just by observing them. Everybody does it all the time, and if your colleague was keeping an eye on what you were doing and knew how the piece of equipment you were working on should be fixed (and she clearly knew it better than you did) she would easily have been able to work out your thought processes. The mystery is: why did your colleague not help you by telling you these things directly, instead of telling her friends when she thought you weren't listening; that was a very cruel thing to do.

My theory is that you were set the fixing of this piece of equipment as a test by your employer, and the "psychic" colleague (who already knew exactly what was wrong with it) was strictly instructed not to help you. She was also instructed not to discuss the fact that it was a test with anyone else in your hearing, but like your neighbour she occasionally slipped up. I suspect the intention was to find a legitimate reason to fire someone whose behaviour was causing them concern - your failure to fix it would have provided the excuse they needed. Ironically your paranoia worked in your favour, because by eavesdropping on your colleague you were able to pick up sufficient clues to work out what was wrong and fix it.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

I get the impression that the 'girl' in the office didn't know anything about the machines and that she was too far away to be within earshot at the time. The door was closed, so she couldn't have seen him blow into the tube.

Seems to me that Scorpion's internal monologue about what could be wrong with the equipment was somehow interpreted as an external voice. And when the seasoned engineer's hunch about a machine he was familiar with turned out to be correct, he saw that as further proof that it had to have come from outside, because he 'didn't know'. That an office worker with no technical background (an assumption on my part) knew more about the machine than he did, and was influencing him psychically to break his mind was somehow more plausible to him than the idea that his illness might cause him to externalize standard internal monologue about how to go about fixing the machine.

But nothing we say can convince him that he might be wrong, he's got too much invested in being right, and still appears quite paranoid.

 

[Scorpion]

Just in passing let me tell you some of my encounters with police officers. They usually walk in pairs and my experiences include the following. One officer said to another.
"If what we have done to him ever comes out there will be hell to pay"
On another occasion two officers were approaching me and one said " I want to see what he will do" and as he drew level with me he stepped into my path then stepped back.
I walked on and stopped and turned round and they had disappeared. Then one of them leaned out of a shop doorway and looked at me.
On another occasion two officers drove by me and one looked at me and put up his hand and made motions of talking with his hand, the other officer said, "he is probably targeting you now" (I lip read him) So the first officer laughed and put his hand over his face as they passed by.
I told a psychiatrist all these things but he said "The police don't do things like that, come and see me in three months" So I walked out and slammed the door. I no longer see a psychiatrist as I am a pensioner and I do not need sick benefits. So I no longer need some dumb quack to humour me.

 

[Scorpion]

I get the impression that the 'girl' in the office didn't know anything about the machines and that she was too far away to be within earshot at the time. The door was closed, so she couldn't have seen him blow into the tube.

Seems to me that Scorpion's internal monologue about what could be wrong with the equipment was somehow interpreted as an external voice. And when the seasoned engineer's hunch about a machine he was familiar with turned out to be correct, he saw that as further proof that it had to have come from outside, because he 'didn't know'. That an office worker with no technical background (an assumption on my part) knew more about the machine than he did, and was influencing him psychically to break his mind was somehow more plausible to him than the idea that his illness might cause him to externalize standard internal monologue about how to go about fixing the machine.

But nothing we say can convince him that he might be wrong, he's got too much invested in being right, and still appears quite paranoid.

Nice theory, but if your read back about my working on a gas analyzer you will see the girl told me that the inlet pipe was broken and I did not know that. But when I heard her voice I tipped it over and looked at the back and sure enough the pipe was broken. She also told me they were out of stock, and I did not know that either. Those are both facts I could not have subconsciously
known.
From that point on I knew I was not just going insane and she was telepathic.

I never said any of this to my employers at the time, I was too mentally exhausted . I simply walked out of the job after 18 months and shouted.
"I know you have been using suggestion on me and there is nothing I can do but get out " The worker on the next bench said, "He doesn't know what he is doing, we won't have to give him anything now".
The workshop manager said "Just go home"

 

[Scorpion]

Incidentally, I think the office girl was responsible for ordering spare parts, so she would have had extensive knowledge of all the machines.

 

[Scorpion]

I have to say that if I had a neighbour who kept me awake at night with drunken rants I would be less than favourably disposed to them too, though I hope I would try to be more understanding than your neighbour if it was clear that the guy was mentally ill and it was not his fault. I would also discuss him with others in the community to try to decide the best way to deal with him, consult the police and social workers if his behaviour continued to be antisocial, and heave a sigh of relief when he finally moved out.

I've come up with a possible explanation of your experiences with the apparently psychic colleague. "He thinks X when Y is really the case" does not, of course mean that the person who is saying it can read minds; it's possible to work out what someone is thinking just by observing them. Everybody does it all the time, and if your colleague was keeping an eye on what you were doing and knew how the piece of equipment you were working on should be fixed (and she clearly knew it better than you did) she would easily have been able to work out your thought processes. The mystery is: why did your colleague not help you by telling you these things directly, instead of telling her friends when she thought you weren't listening; that was a very cruel thing to do.

My theory is that you were set the fixing of this piece of equipment as a test by your employer, and the "psychic" colleague (who already knew exactly what was wrong with it) was strictly instructed not to help you. She was also instructed not to discuss the fact that it was a test with anyone else in your hearing, but like your neighbour she occasionally slipped up. I suspect the intention was to find a legitimate reason to fire someone whose behaviour was causing them concern - your failure to fix it would have provided the excuse they needed. Ironically your paranoia worked in your favour, because by eavesdropping on your colleague you were able to pick up sufficient clues to work out what was wrong and fix it.

Yea ! Nice theory, but I fixed hundreds of machines over the 18 months I worked for them, and as far as I recall my behaviour was largely to sit at my bench working as hard as I could. I did not run around screaming.
As I have said all this started at the interview when I heard the office girls talking about me, and it went on for all my employment.
If I had known what they were going to do to me I never would have worked there in the first place.

 

[abaddon]

Just in passing let me tell you some of my encounters with police officers. They usually walk in pairs and my experiences include the following. One officer said to another.

No. Two man foot patrols have mostly vanished. That I am aware, they only occur in very localised areas where some individual is causing problems. Had that many years ago when some nutter took to knifing tyres for giggles. . Two man patrols were, for a time, commonplace. Once convicted, and sentenced, two man patrols stopped.

"If what we have done to him ever comes out there will be hell to pay"

Unevidenced claim.

On another occasion two officers were approaching me and one said " I want to see what he will do" and as he drew level with me he stepped into my path then stepped back.

As they should. It behoves them to at least make an assessment of YOUR current state. That is what we pay cops to do.

I walked on and stopped and turned round and they had disappeared.

Had the really disappeared?

Then one of them leaned out of a shop doorway and looked at me.

No the had not disappeared. And what exactly is the issue with cops looking at anything? They are paid to look at things.

On another occasion two officers drove by me and one looked at me and put up his hand and made motions of talking with his hand, the other officer said, "he is probably targeting you now" (I lip read him) So the first officer laughed and put his hand over his face as they passed by.

Did they pass by or stop and talk to you? It cannot be both. And what exactly are your qualifications in lip-reading anyway?

I told a psychiatrist all these things but he said "The police don't do things like that, come and see me in three months" So I walked out and slammed the door. I no longer see a psychiatrist as I am a pensioner and I do not need sick benefits. So I no longer need some dumb quack to humour me.

That is baloney. On an unrelated matter I have a therapist of my very own. 3 months would be utterly stupid and useless. When my eldest had a crisis and started to self harm, her feet didn't even touch the floor. This is not even vaguely plausible.

Nice theory, but if your read back about my working on a gas analyzer you will see the girl told me that the inlet pipe was broken and I did not know that. But when I heard her voice I tipped it over and looked at the back and sure enough the pipe was broken. She also told me they were out of stock, and I did not know that either. Those are both facts I could not have subconsciously
known.

As an engineer myself, I know that is nonsense.

From that point on I knew I was not just going insane and she was telepathic.

Nope. You decided so for no reason whatever.

I never said any of this to my employers at the time, I was too mentally exhausted . I simply walked out of the job after 18 months and shouted.

And you think this is somehow a rational course of action?

"I know you have been using suggestion on me and there is nothing I can do but get out " The worker on the next bench said, "He doesn't know what he is doing, we won't have to give him anything now".
The workshop manager said "Just go home"

And I have been there in the very position of telling an employee to go home. It is not unusual much as you really want to dress it up so.

 

[Scorpion]

No. Two man foot patrols have mostly vanished. That I am aware, they only occur in very localised areas where some individual is causing problems. Had that many years ago when some nutter took to knifing tyres for giggles. . Two man patrols were, for a time, commonplace. Once convicted, and sentenced, two man patrols stopped.

This was years ago and I can count up to two. There were two walking by.

That is baloney. On an unrelated matter I have a therapist of my very own. 3 months would be utterly stupid and useless. When my eldest had a crisis and started to self harm, her feet didn't even touch the floor. This is not even vaguely plausible..

What are you talking about, it is very difficult to see a psychiatrist and when you do, once you are diagnosed you are lucky to get five minutes every three months.

As an engineer myself, I know that is nonsense.

Just exactly how do you know that is nonsense, do explain.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

I can't see how it could.

Things like this always do, It starts out as a mundane perhaps quirky experience and than over time Scorpion will be telling the story of Spielberg proportions.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

If your thoughts are transmitted for real, you have a real responsibility. Can you imagine the chaos you would cause if you had, for instance, a headache? One can only imagine the horrors. I am making this semi bitchy thread slightly funny. Good luck with your telepathy thing. I personally don't feel threatened by it even though you have a yellow canary for a face and red vampire eyes

1. yeah, voices can tell you things you don't already know. However, its not a particularly effective way to learn, kind of right up there with sleep learning.

2. for instance, I remember having voices give me directions to my wife's work when I was so psychotic that I couldn't even see the street signs. however there are far more effective modes of navigation.

3. The voice you haven't heard is the one that tells you that you are not special. You will continue to be not special until you think you are not special, at which point you will be special. Let me look at the rest of your posts. I can't believe nobody has told you this yet.

4. I guess I am superstitious and do believe in curses. I am not suggesting you go find a gypsy, but its helpful way to get a grip when you look at it as a curse and try to find a way to either change it, or live under it.

5. Commentards on Jref, doctor, hospitals, mental health professionals, your neighbour, your co-worker, your best friend, your enemy, can all do things that are not in your best interests. This does not make them special, telepathic, a vampire, your friend, your enemy, or anything. Its just a fact

6. Good luck with it, feel free to question anything your feel like.

Brant

 

[Bladesman87]

Those are both facts I could not have subconsciously known

Ah, but nobody's suggesting that you knew with any certainty. They're suggesting that you had a subconscious thought of a possibility of what could have been wrong, and then it turned out that your lucky guess was right.

You said way back at the beginning that the thoughts you heard were almost always wrong (I think you said 98%). That once in a blue moon your intuition, misheard as a voice, was right is not at all surprising.

 

[Scorpion]

Ah, but nobody's suggesting that you knew with any certainty. They're suggesting that you had a subconscious thought of a possibility of what could have been wrong, and then it turned out that your lucky guess was right.

You said way back at the beginning that the thoughts you heard were almost always wrong (I think you said 98%). That once in a blue moon your intuition, misheard as a voice, was right is not at all surprising.

No. I said that 96% of the voices I heard told me no facts therefore I had to discount them as possible hallucinations. I also said 2% of my experiences told me I do hallucinate and that is why its so confusing. An example of a hallucination was I was concentrating on my work and did not notice it was lunch time. I looked up and everyone had gone to lunch but I could still hear the girls in the office talking. I walked to the office door and looked inside and the office was empty, and the voices stopped. So I know I can hallucinate.

But the remaining 2% of what I experienced contained facts I did not know, and that is evidence to me that not only was I paranoid but I was also being persecuted.

 

[John Jones]

No. I said that 96% of the voices I heard told me no facts therefore I had to discount them as possible hallucinations. I also said 2% of my experiences told me I do hallucinate and that is why its so confusing. An example of a hallucination was I was concentrating on my work and did not notice it was lunch time. I looked up and everyone had gone to lunch but I could still hear the girls in the office talking. I walked to the office door and looked inside and the office was empty, and the voices stopped. So I know I can hallucinate.

But the remaining 2% of what I experienced contained facts I did not know, and that is evidence to me that not only was I paranoid but I was also being persecuted.

All that sounds like what a previous poster described as an internal dialog you mistakenly attributed to external voices. I think that too.

Most of what you called telepathy is better described as people's normal reactions to your schizophrenic behavior, and your inability to differentiate between internal dialogues and external sources.

 

[Scorpion]

All that sounds like what a previous poster described as an internal dialog you mistakenly attributed to external voices. I think that too.

Most of what you called telepathy is better described as people's normal reactions to your schizophrenic behavior, and your inability to differentiate between internal dialogues and external sources.

I maintain I could not have known the facts I was told about the equipment.
They were facts of a kind I could not have speculated on, and I was told one item was out of stock when I did not know this.