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Bowling Green Massacre

Meadmaker said:
In this particular case, if people knew the truth about "the Bowling Green Massacre", it would probably be a win for Trump. So don't go there. Talk about that little Iranian girl who needed heart surgery. That's a winning issue.
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I doubt it.

I think Trump supporters would generally lean towards "Sucks to be her, but have to keep the terrorists out!"

I think the Bowling Green misstatements - or lies, depending on your point of view - point to a larger problem, but ultimately end up distracting from more pertinent criticisms. I'm far more concerned with Trump's repeated falsehoods concerning the murder rate than I am with his spokespersons missteps.
 
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Meadmaker said:
I don't think that's it at all. I think what is to be done is to not get distracted by sideshows of no consequence. The statement was made in defense of Trump's policy. Is the policy good or bad? If people like the policy, all this quibbling about who killed who is just not going to matter.

Attack the policy on its merits, or lack of same.

To put it differently, we know that politicians spin. That's what they do. We know tht they stretch the truth. They exaggerate. They cherry pick facts. They do all these things, sometimes in small ways, sometimes outrageously. When you catch a politician spouting falsehoods as a way to justify policy, what should you do? What I would recommend is to note that they were spinning those lies in order to justify their actions. At that point, ask yourself whether, if people knew the truth, would they support the poltician's policy?

In this particular case, if people knew the truth about "the Bowling Green Massacre", it would probably be a win for Trump. So don't go there. Talk about that little Iranian girl who needed heart surgery. That's a winning issue.
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So what's the "truth" about the equally-nonexistent "Atlanta attack" that's a win for Trump?
 
New Trump tweet:

Sen. McCain should not be talking about the success or failure of a mission to the media. Only emboldens the enemy! He's been losing so....
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Criticizing the President is the same as helping the enemy, even if the President did something stupid.
Scratch that.
Especially if the President did something stupid.
 
I remember the Bowling Green Massacre well It was November, I passed By Yodders, and saw at least a hundred dead bodies, all I had to say was oh Deer.
 
Armitage72 said:
Apparently, the three different times he mentioned an attack in Atlanta over the course of two days, he actually meant Orlando.
He just misspoke...a lot.
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You know, he probably could be cut some slack on this one. Orlando was the US's most deadly mass shooting, and in context that is likely what he intended to refer to. But reading between the lines, he seems to be saying 'yeah, because reasons. Don't quibble over details'.
 
MostlyDead said:
You know, he probably could be cut some slack on this one. Orlando was the US's most deadly mass shooting, and in context that is likely what he intended to refer to. But reading between the lines, he seems to be saying 'yeah, because reasons. Don't quibble over details'.
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Especially since even the details are wrong. The Orlando shooter was a US citizen born in the US, whose family was not from one of the seven countries on Trump's ban list, and whose only overseas travel was to countries not on Trump's ban list, so Trump's ban wouldn't have done a single thing to prevent the attack from occurring.
 
MostlyDead said:
You know, he probably could be cut some slack on this one. Orlando was the US's most deadly mass shooting, and in context that is likely what he intended to refer to. But reading between the lines, he seems to be saying 'yeah, because reasons. Don't quibble over details'.
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A little slack, but the sloppiness of the first few weeks needs to be cleaned up and they don't seem interested in that.
 
A'isha said:
Especially since even the details are wrong. The Orlando shooter was a US citizen born in the US, whose family was not from one of the seven countries on Trump's ban list, and whose only overseas travel was to countries not on Trump's ban list, so Trump's ban wouldn't have done a single thing to prevent the attack from occurring.
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That's just what you think because of the fake news. If the news organizations had actually covered this properly, you would know there is a lot more to it.

The media is lying to you.

(see how easy this is?)
 
A'isha said:
Especially since even the details are wrong. The Orlando shooter was a US citizen born in the US, whose family was not from one of the seven countries on Trump's ban list, and whose only overseas travel was to countries not on Trump's ban list, so Trump's ban wouldn't have done a single thing to prevent the attack from occurring.
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Agreed, Spicer was not pushing alternative facts, but an indifference to facts.
 
Spindrift said:
A little slack, but the sloppiness of the first few weeks needs to be cleaned up and they don't seem interested in that.
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And based on a Birther in the Oval Office, they are not likely to be. Need to hold their collective feet to the fire till they have some respect for truth.
 
Was it a massacre or a one sided fight? The socialists should have known better than to attack and provoke a group of visibly armed fanatics. They did say "death to the Klan" and that's what got the Klan off the legal hook. That and the fact they had attacked a KKK member.

I hate the KKK but I'm smart enough to know not to attack visibly armed organized redneck gangs.
 
Meadmaker said:
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In this particular case, if people knew the truth about "the Bowling Green Massacre", it would probably be a win for Trump. So don't go there. Talk about that little Iranian girl who needed heart surgery. That's a winning issue.
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Care to explain what truth about Bowling Green do people not know and how is that truth a win for Trump?

I'm going to guess you would have a different version of, 'the FBI entrapped a couple immigrants into providing money/materials for ISIS in Iraq'. Yep, Trump could have milked that one if they hadn't lied outright.
 
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Here's an interesting 'truth' ProPublica dredged up:

When the Government Really Did Fear a Bowling Green Massacre — From a White Supremacist

Not that long ago, 2012.
A federal raid had uncovered what the authorities feared were the makings of a massacre. There were 18 firearms, among them two AR–15 assault rifles, an AR–10 assault rifle and a Remington Model 700 sniper rifle. There was body armor, too, and the authorities counted some 40,000 rounds of ammunition. An extremist had been arrested, and prosecutors suspected that he had been aiming to carry out a wide assortment of killings.

“This defendant, quite simply, was a well-funded, well-armed and focused one-man army of racial and religious hate,” prosecutors said in a court filing.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Pray tell, what are the specifics you describe as indifference rather than alternative facts?
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The comment I referred to was Spicer's use of Atlanta as opposed to Orlando. I do think he meant Orlando, giving him the benefit of the doubt, but that he doesn't seemed concerned if it was applicable to his justification of the Muslim Ban. I see this as indifference to fact rather than promoting alternative versions.
 
MostlyDead said:
The comment I referred to was Spicer's use of Atlanta as opposed to Orlando. I do think he meant Orlando, giving him the benefit of the doubt, but that he doesn't seemed concerned if it was applicable to his justification of the Muslim Ban. I see this as indifference to fact rather than promoting alternative versions.
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No, look at the bigger picture. These are not one-off tongue slips. As has been posted already:

Kellyanne Conway’s ‘Bowling Green massacre’ wasn’t a slip of the tongue. She has said it before.

As for the current coverup about Spicer's Atlanta 'error' calling it a misstatement:
Not just Kellyanne: Sean Spicer also repeatedly references nonexistent terrorist attack
Key word, "repeatedly".
On at least three occasions this week, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer referenced a nonexistent Islamic terrorist attack on Atlanta.

Atlanta did indeed suffer a terrorist attack, 21 years ago, from a right-wing white Christian terrorist.

Spicer joins his colleague Kellyanne Conway in inventing terrorist attacks: Conway claimed her reference to the "Bowling Green Massacre" was a slip up, but then it transpired she'd referenced the "Massacre" at least three times as well.
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I'd be willing to accept someone on the team recalled the Atlanta bombing but forgot it was a white right wing Christian attack protesting abortions.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, look at the bigger picture. These are not one-off tongue slips. As has been posted already:

Kellyanne Conway’s ‘Bowling Green massacre’ wasn’t a slip of the tongue. She has said it before.

As for the current coverup about Spicer's Atlanta 'error' calling it a misstatement:
Not just Kellyanne: Sean Spicer also repeatedly references nonexistent terrorist attack
Key word, "repeatedly".

I'd be willing to accept someone on the team recalled the Atlanta bombing but forgot it was a white right wing Christian attack protesting abortions.
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Preaching to the choir. Atlanta was pretty far back to fit in the context of justifying the contemporary need for the Muslim Ban, so I think he was just extra sloppy. Kind of an 'oh, some brown guy shot people down South, throw that in too' way of thinking. Solely on Atlanta, indifference. On the size of inaugural crowd, Bowling Green, etc, just lying.
 
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