“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

[caveman1917]

Nominated!

People using black bloc tactics and scores of bystanders are inanimate objects? Is having Faith^TM (ie promoting your wacky belief systems) now a prerequisite to even being considered animate? That's interesting though unexpected I guess.

 

[theprestige]

No, but punching authoritarians speaks to them in a language they understand.

That's one thing you can say about authoritarians: They actually understand the practical applications of violence as method of social control.

The modern leftist babby is just a violence cargo-cultist: They think that merely going through the motions of destruction, aping some of the outward effects of a violent revolution, is the same thing as having the cause, is the same thing as accomplishing the revolution itself.

The authoritarian, at least, understands that violence is a tool for imposing order. The modern leftist just thinks it's fun to wallow in the chaos.


ETA: #NotAllLeftists, of course. Sorry for the broad brush. I know there's a clear distinction between the vigilantes and the principled objectors, on this board and elsewhere. Suggestions for a better terminology to describe the violence-fetishists on the left are welcome.

 

[Thermal]

People using black bloc tactics and scores of bystanders are inanimate objects? Is having Faith^TM (ie promoting your wacky belief systems) now a prerequisite to even being considered animate? That's interesting though unexpected I guess.

Oh, lighten up. It was funny. You genuinely don't get how your talk of 'rearranging is not violence' is absurd?

BTW, pretty confident you have little idea what my 'wacky belief systems' are.

 

[The Big Dog]

People using black bloc tactics and scores of bystanders are inanimate objects? Is having Faith^TM (ie promoting your wacky belief systems) now a prerequisite to even being considered animate? That's interesting though unexpected I guess.

And ISIS was just rearranging irreplaceable historical artifacts. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...looting-ancient-sites-iraq-syria-archaeology/

It is teh free speech! I heard it from a skeptic typing on an iPhone 7 on the internet.

 

[caveman1917]

IF you're asking about Nazi Germany, then your question wasn't clear.

It's more than clear enough. You do know that some criminals[*] hid criminal[*] Jews from the elected government (ie Nazi Germany)? Well, suppose in such a situation someone wants to make a public speech telling the government where the criminals are hiding. Do you defend their "free speech"?

* as per the laws in effect at the time, you know... rule-of-law!!1!1!11!!

 

[caveman1917]

Oh, lighten up. It was funny. You genuinely don't get how your talk of 'rearranging is not violence' is absurd?

I get how it's absurd, just like I get how talk about the non-existence of a deity is absurd to true believers.

BTW, pretty confident you have little idea what my 'wacky belief systems' are.

Relevant parts of it can certainly be deduced from your statements so far. Unless your belief systems are inconsistent, which is always a possibility with the true believer types.

 

[Ziggurat]

You're at the level of a wacky and violent religious cult Zig.

 

[theprestige]

If they took over a town in the way you describe they'd be criminals and we'd send the police to root them out.

Or we'd mount an actual violent resistance in the manner of freedom fighters and insurgent militias since time immemorial.

And it would look very different from smashing up the town to 'resist' political speech.

 

[caveman1917]

Or we'd mount an actual violent resistance in the manner of freedom fighters and insurgent militias since time immemorial.

And it would look very different from smashing up the town to 'resist' political speech.

Funny how the people who actually mounted violent resistance to Nazi occupations tended to be those same anti-fascist leftists from before. Again, not the liberals or conservatives, generally speaking.

 

[The Big Dog]

Funny how the people who actually mounted violent resistance to Nazi occupations tended to be those same anti-fascist leftists from before. Again, not the liberals or conservatives, generally speaking.

Omar Bradley and Dwight Eisenhower were leftists?

Huh, I did NOT know that

 

[Elagabalus]

...Can someone throw some foreign feces on poor Ann to make her happy? ...

I don't think Ann is cultured(see what I did there!) enough for foreign feces. Domestic will have to do.

 

[caveman1917]

[qimg]https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder412/500x/75442412.jpg[/qimg]

Come on Zig, you can do better than that. I get it that you want to cop-out, but think of the quality, will you...

 

[Belz...]

It's more than clear enough.

Really? Let's look at what you actually wrote, then:

Suppose the Nazis took over a town and the people in the town decided to hide the Jews from them. Someone in that town wants to go make a public speaking event to the local SS telling them the identities of the Jews and where they are hiding. Do you defend his "right to free speech"?

Why would they take over a town in Nazi Germany, which they already control? Your question makes no sense. You know what you meant, but communicated poorly.

As to the actual question you wanted to ask, the person in question is setting up a murder or a rounding up so, no, I wouldn't defend his right to free speech. But then, he's in an authoritarian state that doesn't have free speech in the first place.

 

[Ziggurat]

Come on Zig, you can do better than that. I get it that you want to cop-out, but think of the quality, will you...

We've been over all this before. Your belief that institutions are fictitious is simply ridiculous, and your comparisons nonsensical. What else is there to say? It's not worth my time to simply repeat myself, and you have no interest in justifying your beliefs in any meaningful way (still waiting to hear about productive anarchists). Is it a cop-out to stop arguing with someone who denies reality to the extent you do? Or is it just basic time management?

 

[caveman1917]

As to the actual question you wanted to ask, the person in question is setting up a murder or a rounding up so, no, I wouldn't defend his right to free speech.

The person in question is setting up nothing personally. They would not personally murder or round up anyone, they'd just have a public speaking event.

There is of course the implicit understanding of the context and consequences of the speech, public speech does after all not occur in a social vacuum. If that's the basis for you not defending his right to free speech, as opposed to you thinking that this person would personally murder or round up someone, then why would you not apply that when it's about undocumented students?

What have undocumented students at Berkeley ever done to you so that you would not just not speak up (as in "First they came for the undocumented Berkeley students but I did not speak up") but you actually do speak up in favour of Milo's speaking event?

But then, he's in an authoritarian state that doesn't have free speech in the first place.

We all are.

 

[Ziggurat]

We all are.

We all live in a cannibal state too.

 

[caveman1917]

Is it a cop-out to stop arguing with someone who denies reality to the extent you do?

How dare people deny the reality of your anthropomorphized abstract entities! Don't they understand that faith, rather than empirical observation, makes up reality?!

Define reality. And do cop-out of that one with something qualitative.

 

[Newtons Bit]

What have undocumented students at Berkeley ever done to you

**** on my fair and just laws.

 

[Ziggurat]

How dare people deny the reality of your anthropomorphized abstract entities! Don't they understand that faith, rather than empirical observation, makes up reality?!

You can't simultaneously declare that government is oppressing you and that it doesn't exist.

 

[caveman1917]

You can't simultaneously declare that government is oppressing you and that it doesn't exist.

I declared neither of those. But come on, qualitatively cop-out of this one, don't just snip it from the quote:

Define reality.

It's as obvious why you'd need to cop-out of this one as it was obvious why you needed to do so just earlier with the crappy meme. Don't you have good memes?