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Disgraceful! Richard Spencer Sucker-Punched While Giving Interview

An interesting exposition on how Americas "alt-right" isn't just directly and intimately connected to European far-right neo-nazis and neo-fascists but also actively promoting a pro-kremlin propaganda campaign with Russian state assistance.

Exactly how important alt-right ideas had on the election results is difficult to estimate. But the results of these elections important for the right-wing populist movement, however, is crystal clear. They ride now Trumps of success and investing heavily in new media sites to reach an even larger audience.

What is less known is that three Swedes have central roles in Richard Spencer's new media projects Altright.com.

DN's examination shows that right-wing extremists Daniel Friberg, Henrik Palmgren and Tor Westman hold key positions in his organization. They have all taken place in the company's management, half of the board thus consists of Swedes. Altright can be described as an online media channel for the right-wing writers in different countries. On the site are published articles on the threats to the "white race".

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When Altright was launched Richard Spencer said that the idea of ​​the site is to gather the best alt-right writers and analysts on the same platform to spread the message of the United States, Europe and the rest of the world. In the editorial work Friberg thus functions like a spider in a web.

At his side is also his colleague from the publisher Arktos - Tor Westman - who addressed as "technical director" on Altright. Westman, according Expo, among other things, been active in the circle around the Nazi network info-14.

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Henrik Palmgren, originally from Kungälv, lives for many years in Oregon, USA. There, he is running for over a decade the distinctly racist and anti-Semitic media platform Red ice along with the right-wing profile Lana Lokteff, who is also his wife.

Red ice highlights Nazi groups Nordic Resistance. The site mixes readily same clip on how to make their own kefir and other health trends with racial ideology arguments and news. In several texts questions the Holocaust and Henrik Palmgren publishes lengthy interviews with Holocaust deniers.

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A line joining the US and European right movements is that they operate a Kremlin-friendly line.

In Brussels, outside one of Parliament's main buildings, Altiero Spinelli building, it has been possible see the EU Party APF Secretary General Stefan Jacobsson and his colleagues line up on stage. "Stop russophobia now" were the words on the printed A4 sheets they held in their hands. The image of the manifestation has been widely reported on the party's website.

The Alliance for Peace and Freedom are several of the most extreme parties represented. Among other things, the Greek fascist party Golden Dawn, Nazi NPD in Germany and fascist Forza Nuova in Italy. Several of the party members are also elected representatives in the European Parliament.

The protagonists of these extreme right-wing parties are also some of the regular guests at the major conference "Conservative Forum" in St Petersburg which gathers extreme right across Europe.

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/svenskarna-med-centrala-roller-i-usas-extremhoger/
 
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Where "kill your whole family" equals "avoid being overrun by your racial group and made a hated minority against my group's will and best interests by implementing the kind of immigration controls which have been utterly commonplace for all societies in history, or failing that, partitioning so that my group can have some area to itself."

Seriously, who is talking about killing anyone? Unless this is nonwhites and white leftists implying that being pried off the white teat is tantamount to being killed. But actually that is how they make it sound. Limiting your enormous, high birth rate group's access to traditionally white territories =genocide!

I should try showing up at a mansion in my town and seeing if I can guilt the owner into agreeing that not letting me move in and giving me a weekly allowance and the keys to his sports car is no different from him shooting me in the face. If I'm having trouble convincing him of this, I'll try convincing the cops. Then they can force him to let me move in.
 
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Ok, I'll bite.

Using your comic's logic, entering a contest you cannot reasonably compete in does not warrant playing dirty/cheating. Oh, you didn't mean contest? Ok, fascists in the U.S. are by no means an invincible political powerhouse, as implied by the comic; they are a smallish fringe set. And social/political influence pushed by a small subset using violence is called terrorism. So your comic is rationalizing terrorism using a false comparison of an unfair and unwinnable contest, when the reality is that political influence can be exerted peacefully, say with an appeal to the judges and rallying public support for the cause. If public support cannot be raised, that is because your position is not favored by the public, putting you back in the terrorist pile again.

You want to try another comic to make your point?
 
We should have a comic with a huge muscular POC (to represent POC being 90% of the species and rising fast, dwarfing the already minuscule global white minority) and a scrawny white person in a "breeding contest" and the POC would say "if I win, I get all your territory and political power over you on a global scale, with no escape! Better hope I turn on a dime then and don't act out the logical progression of my open racial resentment and hatred of you which is on full display now!"

Then, instead of going and getting a baseball bat to whack the POC in the junk, the white person would simply walk through a door and lock it. That panel could show a "click" at the door handle and the white saying "no thanks" through the door.

Then the final panel could show the POC pounding on the locked door screaming "you're murdering me!!!"
 
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Clearly, and you're not alone. Quite a number of otherwise reasonable people toss reason to the wind in favor of knee-jerk emotion, staking out positions in opposition to free speech, in opposition to the rule-of-law, with utterly no regard for the consequences if vigilantism were to become normalized.

The worst part is, they're unwitting tools of the very forces they oppose. The way to oppose a fascist is not to imitate a fascist.

Depends on the situation. At the moment, these guys aren't very important, and there's really little chance they ever will be, regardless of whether or not someone punches one of them. Spencer's little "Hail Victory!" speech managed to even upset people on his own side. The only real downside I can see is that the risk of jail time and/or hand injury is more than the effort is worth.

I'll still laugh if someone punches him in the face, though. Because this isn't just "vigilantism", and it's not some policy argument like when the estate tax should kick in. He's issued a threat on the lives of others (and, again, myself and my family), so I feel no duty to protect him.
 
I'm mostly a non-violent person, but when I see Nazis, something inside me just loses its mind!!!!

When do you think you make your best decisions? When you're calm and rational, or when you've lost your mind?
 
Depends on the situation. At the moment, these guys aren't very important, and there's really little chance they ever will be, regardless of whether or not someone punches one of them. Spencer's little "Hail Victory!" speech managed to even upset people on his own side. The only real downside I can see is that the risk of jail time and/or hand injury is more than the effort is worth.

I'll still laugh if someone punches him in the face, though. Because this isn't just "vigilantism", and it's not some policy argument like when the estate tax should kick in. He's issued a threat on the lives of others (and, again, myself and my family), so I feel no duty to protect him.

Citation, please.
 
If we're calling it cognitive dissonance, then the key is to unravel it. I dislike the violence of it, what's the competing issue that defeats my dislike. Comeuppance. So, is there a non-violent way to inflict a rebuke to a shameful individual? Sure. Sharp, well written ridicule and satire. Make their name more of a mockery than a looming threat.

Spencer may not have the reach such that most would get the joke if they saw it randomly. But with national figures, that needs to be the response right now. Look at what has happened with SNL. Now they're giving Spicer a dose, too.

Serbia's Otpor! (resist!) movement made massive advances in public opinion by pushing a socially relevant humor with street spectacles and ironies. They gained favor with the public by bringing levity to the conditions they were in while at the same time undermining Milosevic with a barrage of witty criticism. The fallout, too, reinforced the message. Constant hostility and bluster from the tyrant, nose-thumbing and snickering from the resistance. Just harmless college kids and their pranks, lighten up guy!

It's Yosemite Sam vs. Bugs Bunny
 
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Clearly, and you're not alone. Quite a number of otherwise reasonable people toss reason to the wind in favor of knee-jerk emotion, staking out positions in opposition to free speech, in opposition to the rule-of-law, with utterly no regard for the consequences if vigilantism were to become normalized.

The worst part is, they're unwitting tools of the very forces they oppose. The way to oppose a fascist is not to imitate a fascist.

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Where "kill your whole family" equals "avoid being overrun by your racial group and made a hated minority against my group's will and best interests by implementing the kind of immigration controls which have been utterly commonplace for all societies in history, or failing that, partitioning so that my group can have some area to itself."

It's times like this when I can't help but smile and shake my head. I suppose if I felt some kind of intrinsic kinship with other white people by virtue of their being white, of a degree that would obligate me to worry about whether "white people" are or may soon become a minority either in my geo-political area or the world in general, I would consider this silliness to be speaking truth to power. Thankfully, I don't feel any such connection.
 
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Muhammad Ashraf. The owner of the limo. A Muslim immigrant who doesn't support Trump, and is out $70,000 to $100,000 because some anti-Trump protestors torched his limo. He's paying the price for their outrage.

Yea that is the kind of thing that is only acceptable when celebrating sports. When will we ban sports to stop this kind of thing???
 
Malnutrition better step up its game. Over 7 billion of us now, 95% of them useless (I'm being generous with that figure) and we're killing the planet.

Yeah we might be better off with about a billion of us rather than 7.5, but I doubt you'd accept to be thrown into the 95% container. Maybe you had a war in mind?
 

I'm sort of stuck on the crappy artwork. The guy's height is inconsistent, his skull is apparently selectively transparent to letters, and whatever the **** he's doing is not even a lift in competitive weightlifting. And why is the girl wiping her ass in the first panel?

Everyone's a critic.
 
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Clearly, and you're not alone. Quite a number of otherwise reasonable people toss reason to the wind in favor of knee-jerk emotion, staking out positions in opposition to free speech, in opposition to the rule-of-law, with utterly no regard for the consequences if vigilantism were to become normalized.

The worst part is, they're unwitting tools of the very forces they oppose. The way to oppose a fascist is not to imitate a fascist.
Not every slope is slippery.
 

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