“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

[uke2se]

Remember when Spencer was punched and I thought it was funny? Yeah, it doesn't mean I think it's ok and that it should be legal.

If you can't stand freedom of speech, you could always move to a country where they don't have that problem.

I don't think it should be legal either. You may note that I have said that the puncher should take his punishment.

I live in Sweden, by the way. We punch Nazis here too.

 

[Belz...]

I don't think it should be legal either. You may note that I have said that the puncher should take his punishment.

Then you don't "have no problem with it". You at least think there's a little problem with it: it should be punished.

Free speech works until your rights start to be taken away.

That sounds like a nice, blanket justification for treating others like crap.

 

[Belz...]

People are feeling (the same as factually knowing in the current society) that their rights are about to be taken away. Thus, they punch Nazis. I have no problem with it.

Isn't that the exact same justification that the Nazis used to punch Jews?

 

[uke2se]

Then you don't "have no problem with it". You at least think there's a little problem with it: it should be punished.

I still have no problem with it. I think it's morally justified. I just don't think it's legally justified. If you want to read that as me having a problem with it, it's up to you.

That sounds like a nice, blanket justification for treating others like crap.

Nope, just Nazis.

 

[uke2se]

Isn't that the exact same justification that the Nazis used to punch Jews?

No, they thought Jews were genetically inferior 'untermench' who corrupted finances in a massive world wide conspiracy. That's something else altogether.

 

[varwoche]

I still have no problem with it. I think it's morally justified. I just don't think it's legally justified. If you want to read that as me having a problem with it, it's up to you.

Nope, just Nazis.

Letting the pedophiles, rapists and murderers just skate by? Have you no proper sense of self-righteous outrage?

 

[uke2se]

Letting the pedophiles, rapists and murderers just skate by? Have you no proper sense of self-righteous outrage?

If you want to punch a pedo, go for it. I won't hold you back.

We're talking about Nazis here, though. Violence against Nazis is something of an American tradition. Nice of you to equate Nazis to rapists, murderers and pedophiles though. Your heart is in the right place.

 

[Belz...]

I still have no problem with it. I think it's morally justified. I just don't think it's legally justified. If you want to read that as me having a problem with it, it's up to you.

It sounds like you're saying that the law is an impediment to morality, rather than a consequence of it. I find that more dangerous than anything Milo's ever said.

Nope, just Nazis.

Milo's not a Nazi. Seems like you've expanded your list of untermensch.

No, they thought Jews were genetically inferior 'untermench' who corrupted finances in a massive world wide conspiracy. That's something else altogether.

A conspiracy that was about to deprive them of their rights, hence the justification. It's pretty much the same thing: pretending that self-defense is the issue.

 

[uke2se]

It sounds like you're saying that the law is an impediment to morality, rather than a consequence of it. I find that more dangerous than anything Milo's ever said.

Ok.

Milo's not a Nazi. Seems like you've expanded your list of untermensch.

He's a stooge for Nazis.

A conspiracy that was about to deprive them of their rights, hence the justification. It's pretty much the same thing: pretending that self-defense is the issue.

No, there's leagues of difference. I think it's kind of disgusting that you would compare the plight of Nazis being punched on TV in America with Jews being persecuted by Nazis during WWII.

 

[Belz...]

He's a stooge for Nazis.

Oh, so not just Nazis, but stooges of Nazis and, I suppose, those who cut their hair as well.

Tell me, how exactly is he a stooge for Nazis? I want specific citations, not blanket statements, now. You've gotten away with making **** up enough now.

No, there's leagues of difference. I think it's kind of disgusting that you would compare the plight of Nazis being punched on TV in America with Jews being persecuted by Nazis during WWII.

No less disgusting than you calling everybody you disagree with "Nazis". Can't believe you missed the irony.

 

[uke2se]

Oh, so not just Nazis, but stooges of Nazis and, I suppose, those who cut their hair as well.

Tell me, how exactly is he a stooge for Nazis? I want specific citations, not blanket statements, now. You've gotten away with making **** up enough now.

What **** have I made up?

Milo Yiannapolis is a writer for white supremacist Breitbart, author of such pieces as “Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy” and “Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?” He's part of the "alt-right", a noted neo-Nazi congregation of internet warriors, and he's a huge part of the problem in the US right now.

Now you may begin defending the bigot if you wish.

No less disgusting than you calling everybody you disagree with "Nazis". Can't believe you missed the irony.

I don't. I call the Nazis Nazis. Do you want to defend comparing the plight of punching Nazis on TV in America to Nazis persecuting Jews during WWII?

 

[Newtons Bit]

Yiannopolous is a stooge for racists and White supremacists. As such, he's the enemy.




Anyone who gets caught after assaulting another person, Nazi or not, should stand before a court and answer for his crime.

At the same time, I believe it's morally right to punch any Nazi you can find. If you need help determining who's a Nazi and not, you should ask an adult.

And if people think your arguments are more nazi-like than the people already being punched, what then?

 

[uke2se]

And if people think your arguments are more nazi-like than the people already being punched, what then?

Then they are welcome to outline their arguments for me being a Nazis. Would be fun to read.

 

[Belz...]

What **** have I made up?

Milo Yiannapolis is a writer for white supremacist Breitbart, author of such pieces as “Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy” and “Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?”

None of this has anything to do with Nazis.

He's part of the "alt-right", a noted neo-Nazi congregation of internet warriors, and he's a huge part of the problem in the US right now.

I'm still waiting for a citation of him saying anything Nazi-like.

Now you may begin defending the bigot if you wish.

Ah, yes. Because if I say that your accusation is false, it automatically means that I agree with Milo's own claims.

I don't. I call the Nazis Nazis.

Clearly not. You're using rfhetorical tricks to make people you despise look worse than they already are in order to justify violence against them. Just like the Nazis.

Then they are welcome to outline their arguments for me being a Nazis. Would be fun to read.

They can't punch you because they think you're a Nazi? How convenient!

 

[Ziggurat]

Then they are welcome to outline their arguments for me being a Nazis. Would be fun to read.

When you're advocating violence in response to speech, it's hard to take seriously any claim that arguments have anything to do with your decisions anymore. At this point it's pretty clear that you're being guided by emotion, not logic.

 

[OCaptain]

Milo Yiannopoulos is Jewish, openly gay, and he was born in Greece.

That makes those who hate him and want to silence him anti-semitic, homophobic, and xenophobic.

This says a lot about the supposed "tolerance" of the left when they attack and silence a gay Jewish man who hails from a foreign country.

Hypocrites.

Except that you forgot the fourth, most critical, aspect of the man. He is a troll, targeting immature kids at colleges be aware he knows that they will rise to his bait.

For that reason, he should be ignored.

 

[uke2se]

None of this has anything to do with Nazis.



I'm still waiting for a citation of him saying anything Nazi-like.

Associates with Nazis - check
Spews vile bigotry - check

I suppose you could make the argument that Milo's not technically a Nazi. Naziesque but no true Nazi.

Ah, yes. Because if I say that your accusation is false, it automatically means that I agree with Milo's own claims.

No, never said nor implied that you agreed with him. Simply that you defended him.

Clearly not. You're using rfhetorical tricks to make people you despise look worse than they already are in order to justify violence against them. Just like the Nazis.

"Rhetorical tricks"? Which ones?

They can't punch you because they think you're a Nazi? How convenient!

If they can justify a belief that I'm a Nazi, they are free to try to punch me. In fact, anyone's free to try to punch me. Happens to me often. I do punch back though.

 

[Belz...]

Associates with Nazis - check

Citation needed.

Spews vile bigotry - check

Citation needed. Your claims are not good enough.

No, never said nor implied that you agreed with him. Simply that you defended him.

I'm countering your baseless accusation. Of course that makes you think I'm "defending" him.

"Rhetorical tricks"? Which ones?

Here's one:

Spews vile bigotry - check

At this point it seems like you're pretending to not understand what I'm telling you.

If they can justify a belief that I'm a Nazi, they are free to try to punch me. In fact, anyone's free to try to punch me. Happens to me often.

Stop spewing vile bigotry and associating with NaAzis, then.

I do punch back though.

Why? Are they Nazis?

 

[uke2se]

Citation needed.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ticket-the-big-gay-islamophobia-party-w429967

Citation needed. Your claims are not good enough.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos

I'm countering your baseless accusation. Of course that makes you think I'm "defending" him.

My accusations aren't baseless.

Here's one:

No, that's a description of reality.

Stop spewing vile bigotry and associating with NaAzis, then.

I'm not.

Why? Are they Nazis?

No, they are mostly people who think attacking law enforcement officers is a good way to get out of trouble.

Any comment on your sickening comparison of the plight of Nazis being punched on TV in the US with Jews being persecuted by Nazis during WWII? You know, walking back that particular comment would be a good thing. You don't have to be right about everything.

 

[Belz...]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ticket-the-big-gay-islamophobia-party-w429967

I'm sorry, what is that supposed to prove?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos

That isn't a quote. I can only surmise that, after at least three requests by me, you have no quote by him saying anything Nazi-like. I'll consider your claim retracted.

No, that's a description of reality.

Based on **** all, apparently, since you're unable to support these claims.

I'm not.

Then they wouldn't be punching you. You're not making any sense, here.

Any comment on your sickening comparison of the plight of Nazis being punched on TV in the US with Jews being persecuted by Nazis during WWII?

I've already made the comment: I'm directly comparing your rhetoric to that of Nazis in order to highlight your sickening comparison of Milo to Nazis. Your outrage simply demonstrates that your argument comes entirely from emotion.