“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

sir drinks-a-lot said:
Actually, it looks like you want to believe that he believed it.
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No, I don't care enough about this person to have a belief in his beliefs. Actually, he seems like a younger, gayer version of Ann Coulter, and as such, a rabble-rouser. He references things like pizzagate to be provocative and pimp to a certain audience. It's not as if this is something new.
 
Resume said:
No, I don't care enough about this person to have a belief in his beliefs. Actually, he seems like a younger, gayer version of Ann Coulter, and as such, a rabble-rouser. He references things like pizzagate to be provocative and pimp to a certain audience. It's not as if this is something new.
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Retraction accepted.
 
varwoche said:
I see not so much as one solitary source other than comments from random, anonymous bozos. This is the sort of data source that Trump is infamous for. "People say..."

If I'm overlooking something, by all means be more specific.
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For example this.

Look at the replies to this comment:

"omfg.

how did he find this out?"
 
Argumemnon said:
I'll address it right now: I'm not anti-speech. I often disagree with Milo but I agree with him on a few points. Regardless, he's definitely a troll, but that doesn't mean that what he has to say isn't worth listening to, and I disagree with those who try to use intimidation and violence to silence him. Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech. Fight ignorance with knowledge.
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Good for you.

I don't think logger was claiming that every single individual on the left is against free speech. He merely said that the left has a problem with free speech these days - a comment that is difficult to dispute.

As usual, extremists love to silence their opposition, whether they be on the left or the right, and I oppose both.
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As do I. I just don't think there is any kind of symmetry between the left and right in the US these days regarding free speech.
 
Argumemnon said:
I'll address it right now: I'm not anti-speech. I often disagree with Milo but I agree with him on a few points. Regardless, he's definitely a troll, but that doesn't mean that what he has to say isn't worth listening to, and I disagree with those who try to use intimidation and violence to silence him. Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech. Fight ignorance with knowledge.

As usual, extremists love to silence their opposition, whether they be on the left or the right, and I oppose both.
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THIS.
Bitter fact is that militants on both left and right want to silence their critics.
 
Argumemnon said:
I'll address it right now: I'm not anti-speech. I often disagree with Milo but I agree with him on a few points. Regardless, he's definitely a troll, but that doesn't mean that what he has to say isn't worth listening to, and I disagree with those who try to use intimidation and violence to silence him. Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech. Fight ignorance with knowledge.
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How many undocumented people getting deported or forced to stop their education is letting Milo organize these events worth to you? 1? 10? 100?

As usual, extremists love to silence their opposition, whether they be on the left or the right, and I oppose both.
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Ever considered that you might rather be an extremist?

Suppose Nazi Germany took over a town, and people hid Jews from them somewhere. Someone wants to make a public speech stating where the Jews are hiding. Leftists act to stop this speech from happening. Who is the extremist? To me the liberal or moderate saying "Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech" is an extremist.
 
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sunmaster14 said:
Why does Milo deserve the rioters? Milo has never been violent. As far as I know, he's never hurt anybody except perhaps for witty bitty feelings. Furthermore, Milo stands ready to debate anybody anytime about his views and the claims he has made. He allows antagonistic questions at his talks and responds in good faith (albeit with some snark).
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God, you are hopeless if you cannot see why we consider Milo a total jerk.
If Julius Streicher were around and made liberals mad, you would probably defend him. Not just his right to speak, but him personally.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Source?
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dudalb said:
Gee, that sounds like something that would sound right in place in Germany or Italy or Russia in the 1930's.....

I am now convinced you are not even a sincere conservative. You are somebody who has drunk the Trump Kool Aid,probably because you find him "Anti Establishment and Edgy "and your only political belief is Donald J. Trump. If Trump were to do a 180, and start spouting liberal dogma,you would swing right along with him.
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When the NYPD starting arresting the agitators Thursday night outside NYU, one woman screamed at the police that they should be protecting the protestors from the Nazi inside the building -- Gavin McInnes, by the way, is a libertarian and a comedian who says things which aren't politically correct.

Watch the video of this insane woman in an hysterical frenzy: Here

(Warning: the woman has a foul mouth and claims to be a professor)
 
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dudalb said:
God, you are hopeless if you cannot see why we consider Milo a total jerk.
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I know why you consider Milo a total jerk. It's because he says things you disagree with but can't refute. He is a persuasive and effective advocate for policies that you don't like. No doubt I am considered a total jerk by many here for the same reason. But I don't see why he deserves having his speech shut down and having his physical safety threatened. Do you think I do? Are you prepared to dox me and come to my house to give me what I deserve?

If Julius Streicher were around and made liberals mad, you would probably defend him. Not just his right to speak, but him personally.
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You resort to these kinds of Nazi-themed insults quite frequently. I don't really take offense, but it probably doesn't help make your argument more persuasive.
 
caveman1917 said:
How many undocumented people getting deported or forced to stop their education is letting Milo organize these events worth to you? 1? 10? 100?
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Any amount I guess. Not sure we should start figuring out a value base before free speech is allowed. If it is legal, let him speak it. If not, have him prosecuted for the speech that breaks any given law. If individuals feel they were wronged in some way that is libel, let them sue.
 
caveman1917 said:
How many undocumented people getting deported or forced to stop their education is letting Milo organize these events worth to you? 1? 10? 100?
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Free speech vs. allowing people currently breaking the law to continue breaking the law? The first is a fundamental pillar upon which our modern democracy is built. The latter are criminals.

Do you have trouble identifying which one of these is more important?
 
Argumemnon said:
I'll address it right now: I'm not anti-speech. I often disagree with Milo but I agree with him on a few points. Regardless, he's definitely a troll, but that doesn't mean that what he has to say isn't worth listening to, and I disagree with those who try to use intimidation and violence to silence him. Good or bad, let him talk and challenge what he says with more free speech. Fight ignorance with knowledge.

As usual, extremists love to silence their opposition, whether they be on the left or the right, and I oppose both.
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I wonder if another center left or leftist will agree with you?
 
rdwight said:
Any amount I guess. Not sure we should start figuring out a value base before free speech is allowed. If it is legal, let him speak it. If not, have him prosecuted for the speech that breaks any given law. If individuals feel they were wronged in some way that is libel, let them sue.
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Who cares whether something is "legal"? That's something that the state concerns itself with, yet nobody here has posited that the state should shut down Milo's events, so it's not even relevant anyway.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Free speech vs. allowing people currently breaking the law to continue breaking the law? The first is a fundamental pillar upon which our modern democracy is built. The latter are criminals.

Do you have trouble identifying which one of these is more important?
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No of course I have no such trouble. The answer is to shut down Milo's speaking events.
 
logger said:
I wonder if another center left or leftist will agree with you?
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I'm an independent and I said way upthread that it was too bad the event was cancelled. No matter that I think he's a ****.
 
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