“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

[caveman1917]

It might well do. It's the kind of name anarchists go for.

Evidence?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Yeah, technically Communists are Anarchists (the theory is that Communism is the elimination of government enforcement, it's people self-organizing to work together in their own best interests).

To be fair:

Black Bloc
Anarcho-(any of 50 variations here)
Communist

None of these labels are mutually exclusive, but neither are they merely synonyms for one another.

 

[CapelDodger]

And? Do you have some evidence for your claim that these are anarchists?

The duck test. The look, the walk and the sound.

Evidence that anarchists aren't left-wing?

I imagine your evidence that they are is that you don't like them. But, as I've pointed out, everybody on the left-right spectrum hates anarchists.

Who exactly is left-wing according to you?

Somebody on the left-right spectrum at the very least. Anarchists don't qualify, for obvious reasons. They lie off the main sequence, so to speak.

 

[The Big Dog]

Except that I did not refer to them as a group in that post. In fact that post was a clear refutation of your unsupported tales about characteristics you claim are held by people who employ black bloc tactics.

Say, you managed to actually get through a post without resorting to Black Bloc posting tactics.

Now, as to the "substance" of that post, the characteristic of the people who use Black Bloc tactics is they use *********** Black Bloc tactics, which are stupid, violent and totally unproductive, notwithstanding what a bunch of teachers in freaking Brazil think about how "cute" they are.

Now the ones I have had to deal with also smell bad and steal other protesters food, as I have explained.

 

[CapelDodger]

Evidence?

Have you spent any time with anarchists? I'm starting to think not.

 

[dudalb]

Actually, that's what we have in the US as well - and of course, college students that are overly strident about whatever.

But in day-to-day, it's mostly twitter trolls spewing racism, misogyny, and anti-semitism from what I can see. Still not much at the personal level, offline.

ETA: as far as these Black Bloc idiots go, I learned of them (here in Maryland!) when they showed up at the Sean Bell protests back in 2009 and started trashing things. The regular protestors, of course, hated them. IOW, the idea that this is something new for the Trump Era is a joke.

Here in Northern California,the Black Bloc in Berkeley has been notorious ever since they pretty much derailed the Occupy movement with their antics. Berserkly is a natural habitat for them.
The vast majority of Progressives and other Lefties in California distance themselves from the "Movement" in Berkeley. In what other city is there a book store with a huge picture of Stalin in the front window?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Have you spent any time with anarchists? I'm starting to think not.

One would imagine that a person of the level of conviction he is so desperately attempting to portray would be out there right now showing us how to overthrow fascists.

Instead here he is, doing his level best to marry the idea of resisting oppressive government policies with behavior that the vast majority of the public find to be entirely indefensible at best, if not outright threatening to both their immediate and long term physical safety.

 

[Belz...]

Well, the liberal definition of intolerance is apparently proposing policies that they disagree with.

This bears absolutely no ressemblance to anything I've said. No wonder you think I'm inconsistent.

So I disagree that being intolerant towards blacks means you won't rent them an apartment.

What are you on about? Do you even know what "intolerance" means?

Actually, you used the word "racist" not intolerance. Racism is the belief that certain large groups of people, identifiable by superficial visual traits like skin color, facial shape, hair consistency or whatnot, have other genetically determined traits (and possibly culturally derived traits) which are inferior, on average, to those of one's preferred genetic group.

That sounds like someone that would be intolerant of, say, blacks.

By itself, racism is a belief system. Not a mode of behavior, although it's possible to engage in racist behavior, which I think is discriminating unfairly based on race.

Now you're just engaging in ridicule. Jihadism is a belief system, not a mode of behaviour, so I guess we can't say that jihadists are likely to resort to violence.

Ironically, I think most white liberals are racist in that they think certain minorities are incapable of succeeding without radical help from the government.

Off-topic.

Your arguments are often not consistent, but I don't want to be goaded into a Rule 12 violation.

Of all the dishonest things. You're the one who brought it up, and now that you're asked to support this claim you squirm away. You've never called me inconsistent before, so I assume that you said that as a "clever" way to avoid addressing what I actually said about incompatible world-views, and that you never planned on putting your money where your mouth is.

Many SJWs insist that white people have special unearned privileges. Do you agree with that?

Depends where and when, but this isn't on topic.

 

[caveman1917]

The duck test. The look, the walk and the sound.

So no evidence then?

I imagine your evidence that they are is that you don't like them.

No, it's just that they generally are, as anyone can simply look up.

But, as I've pointed out, everybody on the left-right spectrum hates anarchists.

You've asserted it at least.

Somebody on the left-right spectrum at the very least. Anarchists don't qualify, for obvious reasons. They lie off the main sequence, so to speak.

So you keep asserting. You've still failed to give an example of people you'd consider "left-wing" and why they would disagree with a "no platform" position.

 

[Belz...]

Again: I'm seeing a concerning lack of imagination on the ISF...

Democratic voters can want to turn out in greater numbers, but if they've been denied voter registration ("New law! No Ex-felons voting. New law! Drug testing for voters in Inner Cities!"), have 20 hour lineups that extend beyond a "state of emergency" curfew... And that's if they're in the eligible demographic... I would not be surprised by deportations or blanket citizenship revocations. DREAMers and recent immigrants look like a logical target for deportation, much less disenfranchisement.

Enthusiasm and popular support may not translate into sufficient votes to ensure a Republican defeat.

Are felons, drug addicts and illegal immigrants a significant portion of Democratic voters?

 

[CapelDodger]

ETA: as far as these Black Bloc idiots go, I learned of them (here in Maryland!) when they showed up at the Sean Bell protests back in 2009 and started trashing things. The regular protestors, of course, hated them. IOW, the idea that this is something new for the Trump Era is a joke.

Adolescent narcissim is ever-present, and that's the bulk of the anarchist crowd at any particular time, in my experience.

 

[caveman1917]

Adolescent narcissim is ever-present, and that's the bulk of the anarchist crowd at any particular time, in my experience.

More unsupported assertions. Nice ageism btw.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

<snip>
Of all the dishonest things. You're the one who brought it up, and now that you're asked to support this claim you squirm away. You've never called me inconsistent before, so I assume that you said that as a "clever" way to avoid addressing what I actually said about incompatible world-views, and that you never planned on putting your money where your mouth is.

This matches my experience with he and his ilk to a tee.

 

[CapelDodger]

So no evidence then?

All the evidence of your lying eyes. Not proof to your satisfaction, but this is poor sophism.

No, it's just that they generally are, as anyone can simply look up.

No, they generally aren't, as they'll tell you if you ask them. Their class war isn't against any particular class, it's against the very concept of class.

You've asserted it at least.

Repeatedly.

So you keep asserting. You've still failed to give an example of people you'd consider "left-wing" and why they would disagree with a "no platform" position.

The subject is anarchists, who I don't consider left-wing. It's irrelevant who I do so consider.

 

[Resume]

Are felons, drug addicts and illegal immigrants a significant portion of Democratic voters?

Someone around here will chime in soon.

 

[caveman1917]

The vast majority of Progressives and other Lefties in California distance themselves from the "Movement" in Berkeley.

What lefties in particular?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Note that our interest waned in entertaining CM over in the other thread and now that we are all here, he has to follow along and make this entire thread about himself now, as well.

Another classic hallmark of Black Bloc: show up to someone else's party and demand the music change to what they want.

 

[marplots]

Antichrists ruin everything.

 

[caveman1917]

All the evidence of your lying eyes. Not proof to your satisfaction, but this is poor sophism.

What evidence? The mere fact of having employed a black bloc tactic? Plenty of non-anarchist leftists do that as well.

No, they generally aren't, as they'll tell you if you ask them.

They seem to generally consider themselves left-wing if you ask them.

Their class war isn't against any particular class, it's against the very concept of class.

And? So are, for one, Marxists. Are they then not on the left either?

The subject is anarchists, who I don't consider left-wing. It's irrelevant who I do so consider.

Sure it is. What about Marxists, do you consider them on the left? What about socialists in general?

 

[caveman1917]

Note that our interest waned in entertaining CM over in the other thread and now that we are all here, he has to follow along and make this entire thread about himself now, as well.

Another classic hallmark of Black Bloc: show up to someone else's party and demand the music change to what they want.