“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

sunmaster14 said:
It's interesting to see how the denunciations from the left are all of the "this hurts our cause" variety. It's a question of tactics for them, not of right and wrong. That's because they actually see Milo and his supporters as evil, not as people who simply have a different point of view and have the same right to express it as anybody else.
Click to expand...

Gee, one wonders what underlying mechanism might lead one to conclude the tactic is counter-productive.

Oh, right: the fact that it is wrong.

Milo and his supporters are evil. They are also people.

I see in color, I'm sorry you can't experience this vivid and nuanced world that I do. I'll try to keep my privilege in check.

:9
 
As an extremely liberal person, I would like to openly state my disapproval of this violence. I don't care if it was a gang of angry students, agents provocateur, or the Clinton family reunion in masks. It's bad, and it shouldn't happen.

The worst part about it, other than the violence, is how utterly boring Milo is. I've never read anything from him that was slightly profound, or contained even a hint of insight*. The only reason we hear about him so much is because of these publicity squads the left keeps generating for him.

Also, for a good laugh, look up his various defenses of Christianity and Catholicism in particular.

* If I'm missing something, by all means, point it out.
 
zorro99 said:
The better protest would've been to ignore Milo who is nothing more than an internet troll. Trolls hate being ignored more than anything.
Click to expand...

And protests help sell Milo's books. Same tactic Coulter uses, the more outrageous, the more the books sell.
 
I just don't understand these violent protesters. Don't they understand it is a huge disservice to their cause?

It reminds me of something I read from an Israeli journalist about 20 years ago who said that if the Palestinians had chosen peaceful protest against Israel instead of war they would be in a much better situation with strong support for their cause and a lot of Jews backing them. With democratic governments and a free press, peaceful protest is always the best approach.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Suck it up, losers! We won. UCB has cancelled further appearances by the misogynist creep.

That's all that matters. Score one for the shout-em-down critics!! Woooooot!
Click to expand...


Well, I'll try to shed some fake tears (à la Chuck Schumer) when the Left loses all of their federal funds.

"Woooooot!"
 
Last edited:
The actions at UC Berkeley are typical of the Left wing agenda. They cannot survive when opposing views are expressed so they must silence anyone they don't agree with. These news stories are becoming more common now. I don't know if it's by accident or intentional but the Left is being exposed for what it truly is more and more lately. This is very good and will further shape our next elections.

There is no 1st Amendment allowed for you if you say things they don't like. That's not freedom. That's what they want for the Country. Sorry, everyone has the right to free speech in the US and you'll not change that.
Chris B.
 
I Am The Scum said:
As an extremely liberal person, I would like to openly state my disapproval of this violence.
Click to expand...

Which violence exactly?

The only reason we hear about him so much is because of these publicity squads the left keeps generating for him.
Click to expand...

You've got to give it to them, the tactics by Milo's crowd do work. First you shoot people who disagree with your views, and then when these people get angry and show up to thoroughly disrupt your gatherings you get sympathetic media attention.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
There is no 1st Amendment allowed for you if you say things they don't like. That's not freedom. That's what they want for the Country. Sorry, everyone has the right to free speech in the US and you'll not change that.
Chris B.
Click to expand...

They changed it here. The guy didn't speak.
 
I Am The Scum said:
As an extremely liberal person, I would like to openly state my disapproval of this violence. I don't care if it was a gang of angry students, agents provocateur, or the Clinton family reunion in masks. It's bad, and it shouldn't happen.

The worst part about it, other than the violence, is how utterly boring Milo is. I've never read anything from him that was slightly profound, or contained even a hint of insight*. The only reason we hear about him so much is because of these publicity squads the left keeps generating for him.

Also, for a good laugh, look up his various defenses of Christianity and Catholicism in particular.

* If I'm missing something, by all means, point it out.
Click to expand...


I agree that Milo is a boring and predictable troll.

But believe it or not, he is doing society a favour with his antics.

I've seen video of all sorts of speakers blocked and no-platformed at American universities. I'm not talking Nazis. I'm talking boring old conservatives, people with something positive to say about Israel, moderate critics of Third-wave feminism etc.
Their posters get torn down, their audiences blocked, their talks cancelled, the speakers have to come and go under police protection etc etc etc.

Imagine Noam Chomsky having to be escorted out the backdoor because conservative students holding the doors shut, locking in the audience and speaker. That is what happened to Ben Shapiro.

Meanwhile, Islamists and a whole host of left-winged speakers are welcome to come talk.

Milo just puts a big spotlight on this issue and brings to light the hypocrisy, and lack of debate. And with the "protesters" now resorting to violence and vandalism, the mask is definitely slipping.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Gee, one wonders what underlying mechanism might lead one to conclude the tactic is counter-productive.

Oh, right: the fact that it is wrong.
Click to expand...

Huh? No, there are many things that are wrong which are not counterproductive (at least to one's immediate cause), and there are many things that are counterproductive which are not wrong. Killing somebody you know for sure to be a serial killer is not counterproductive, but it is wrong.

Milo and his supporters are evil. They are also people.
Click to expand...

If they truly are evil, then opposing them with force is morally justified. In my view, they are not evil (not even close). What makes them evil in your eyes?

I see in color, I'm sorry you can't experience this vivid and nuanced world that I do. I'll try to keep my privilege in check.
Click to expand...

Ironic.
 
I Am The Scum said:
As an extremely liberal person, I would like to openly state my disapproval of this violence. I don't care if it was a gang of angry students, agents provocateur, or the Clinton family reunion in masks. It's bad, and it shouldn't happen.

The worst part about it, other than the violence, is how utterly boring Milo is. I've never read anything from him that was slightly profound, or contained even a hint of insight*. The only reason we hear about him so much is because of these publicity squads the left keeps generating for him.

Also, for a good laugh, look up his various defenses of Christianity and Catholicism in particular.

* If I'm missing something, by all means, point it out.
Click to expand...

Milo is not boring. He's fascinating. He's also extremely articulate and insightful. Yes, he is intentionally provocative and offensive, and he exaggerates his insights to the point of being obscene, but he has explained some things that I hadn't understood before. I'm happy to start a Milo thread to discuss.
 
Mumbles said:
Don't those idiots show up to pretty much every protest around there to trash things?
Click to expand...

banquetbear said:
..."the left" didn't start a riot.

Some people started a riot.
Click to expand...

Just because the Bloc was protesting against a far right speaker, I don't think it means they are leftist. The circled A types are against the entire establishment, and the extreme right/fascist types provide a convenient target.

Argumemnon said:
Now we just need to hit the third key and reboot.
Click to expand...

Pretty sure that is the ultimate goal of a Bloc.
 
Eddie Dane said:
Imagine Noam Chomsky having to be escorted out the backdoor because conservative students holding the doors shut, locking in the audience and speaker. That is what happened to Ben Shapiro.

Meanwhile, Islamists and a whole host of left-winged speakers are welcome to come talk.

Milo just puts a big spotlight on this issue and brings to light the hypocrisy, and lack of debate. And with the "protesters" now resorting to violence and vandalism, the mask is definitely slipping.
Click to expand...

It's only hypocrisy if Noam Chomsky and Ben Shapiro are equivalent. So long as they are distinctly different in tone and content, the students are free to treat them differently.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom